No they are actively doing great damage to the occupation forces. Obviously we’d prefer that the PFLP was the dominant party, but given how things are at the moment, Hamas is good.
I disagree. If I say “I like puppies” does it mean I not only like when they’re cute and friendly, but also when they pee on the floor? If I say the USSR was good do I mean everything about it was perfect including LGBT persecution and it’s internal contradictions that led to collapse? Anyway, I can think of ways Hamas can be better, but what don’t I approve of? So yes, Hamas is good.
Disprove the atrocity propaganda, say you don’t care if they’re religious because they’re doing the work. You’ll get the same response if you say critical support from the jump.
Edit: maybe starting with critical support is better in a conversational context, but it’s a meme and “it’s good” works so much better.
You’ll get the same response if you say critical support from the jump.
Yes, but it doesn’t land the same when you say critical support from beginning to end. If you start with “good” and switch to “critical support” that comes off as backtracking or trying to weasel around what you mean.
but it’s a meme and “it’s good” works so much better.
It’s just not that great of a meme. It flattens the best take (critical support) into something resembling what the pro-genocide crowd accuses us of (blindly endorsing even the bad parts of anti-imperialist resistance).
What bad parts do you keep pointing to? The meme will become much worse if I try to include a lot of nuance. That’s why people don’t like “leftist memes.” There’s a reason why “Stalin did nothing wrong” is a meme and not “here’s a few good things Stalin did and a few I don’t like as much.”
“Stalin did nothing wrong” is a shit meme because it could be taken as being analogous to the “Hitler did nothing wrong”, the premise being that it’s obvious he mostly did wrong things but saying the contrary, being ironic. Unknowing people will take the former like the latter.
Now “Stalin shouldn’t have stopped at Berlin” on the other hand…
Of course it is, all support should be critical.
No they are actively doing great damage to the occupation forces. Obviously we’d prefer that the PFLP was the dominant party, but given how things are at the moment, Hamas is good.
“XYZ is good” is invariably read as blanket approval of everything XYZ does. That’s not what we mean, so we shouldn’t say it.
I disagree. If I say “I like puppies” does it mean I not only like when they’re cute and friendly, but also when they pee on the floor? If I say the USSR was good do I mean everything about it was perfect including LGBT persecution and it’s internal contradictions that led to collapse? Anyway, I can think of ways Hamas can be better, but what don’t I approve of? So yes, Hamas is good.
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Disprove the atrocity propaganda, say you don’t care if they’re religious because they’re doing the work. You’ll get the same response if you say critical support from the jump.
Edit: maybe starting with critical support is better in a conversational context, but it’s a meme and “it’s good” works so much better.
Yes, but it doesn’t land the same when you say critical support from beginning to end. If you start with “good” and switch to “critical support” that comes off as backtracking or trying to weasel around what you mean.
It’s just not that great of a meme. It flattens the best take (critical support) into something resembling what the pro-genocide crowd accuses us of (blindly endorsing even the bad parts of anti-imperialist resistance).
What bad parts do you keep pointing to? The meme will become much worse if I try to include a lot of nuance. That’s why people don’t like “leftist memes.” There’s a reason why “Stalin did nothing wrong” is a meme and not “here’s a few good things Stalin did and a few I don’t like as much.”
“Stalin did nothing wrong” is a shit meme because it could be taken as being analogous to the “Hitler did nothing wrong”, the premise being that it’s obvious he mostly did wrong things but saying the contrary, being ironic. Unknowing people will take the former like the latter.
Now “Stalin shouldn’t have stopped at Berlin” on the other hand…
Fair
What if I changed it to “hamas isn’t even bad/evil tho?”