- cross-posted to:
- antiwork
- cross-posted to:
- antiwork
This is the morality of the Slave State, applied in circumstances totally unlike those in which it arose. No wonder the result has been disastrous. Let us take an illustration. Suppose that at a given moment a certain number of people are engaged in the manufacture of pins. They make as many pins as the world needs, working (say) eight hours a day. Someone makes an invention by which the same number of men can make twice as many pins as before. But the world does not need twice as many pins: pins are already so cheap that hardly any more will be bought at a lower price. In a sensible world everybody concerned in the manufacture of pins would take to working four hours instead of eight, and everything else would go on as before. But in the actual world this would be thought demoralizing. The men still work eight hours, there are too many pins, some employers go bankrupt, and half the men previously concerned in making pins are thrown out of work. There is, in the end, just as much leisure as on the other plan, but half the men are totally idle while half are still overworked. In this way it is insured that the unavoidable leisure shall cause misery all round instead of being a universal source of happiness. Can anything more insane be imagined?
Orwell wrote infantile fiction, and it’s frankly silly to call that a critique of Leninism. Once again, the reality is that socialist states, whatever faults they may have, are a tangible improvement on capitalism.
Coming back to Russell’s scenario, here’s the plan USSR had for reducing the work week. And what business tendency are you talking about in a socialist state such as USSR exactly? The industry is owned by the state, the purpose of the industry is to produce things for people living in the state. Work isn’t done to create wealth for people who own businesses, there is no inherent incentive to exploit the workers.
I love the writings of Marx, Russell, Orwell and many others. I would never presume to call any of them infantile, but OK
I am not comparing right versus left. I am asking about the practical applications of the pin factory scenario
Business does not cease to exist in a socialist state, it only operates under different management. And management from the left can be just as oppressive as from the right. Both socialist and non-socialist countries have tossed around the idea of shortening the work week, and also implemented policies that made work feel like slavery. The big difference for the common citizen is not between right and left - it is between oppressive and non-oppressive governments.
What remains unanswered is: exactly what measures should be implemented to solve Russell’s critique? All I’m getting as an answer is philosophical statements that I mostly agree with, but no examples of practical implementation
And I’ve given you a practical plan USSR put out for reducing the work week. I’m really not sure what specifically you’re asking at this point. In a socialist country, the sole purpose of production is to create things that improve the lives of the people in that country. When automation makes so that there is less time required to produce things then people get more free time. USSR had over 20 days vacation as a standard and people had guaranteed retirement by 60, while things such as working overtime were pretty much unheard of. People in USSR worked far less than people in capitalist states do today.
The nature of enterprise is completely different in a socialist state because the goal is not to create wealth for people who own the enterprise, but to produce things that people living in the state need to live.
You’re also conflating management structures with the economic system here. The first step is to create economic relations that create correct incentives which is what a socialist state with a publicly owned economy accomplishes. Only then can any discussion be had about what the best way to manage work is.
Again, I’ve linked you a concrete example of implementation in USSR, I’m assuming you did not even bother opening the link.
So your concrete proposal for the problem of implementing Russell’s proposed solution to the pin factory situation, is to somehow recreate a failed system that never implemented it? OK
So how do we convert Russell’s idea into reality? USSR
But how exactly? USSR
But what concrete steps should we take? USSR
But the USSR was a failed regime that never implemented Russell’s idea! You haven’t read what I’ve written, have you?
So your counterpoint is to ignore everything I wrote, gotcha.