This is the morality of the Slave State, applied in circumstances totally unlike those in which it arose. No wonder the result has been disastrous. Let us take an illustration. Suppose that at a given moment a certain number of people are engaged in the manufacture of pins. They make as many pins as the world needs, working (say) eight hours a day. Someone makes an invention by which the same number of men can make twice as many pins as before. But the world does not need twice as many pins: pins are already so cheap that hardly any more will be bought at a lower price. In a sensible world everybody concerned in the manufacture of pins would take to working four hours instead of eight, and everything else would go on as before. But in the actual world this would be thought demoralizing. The men still work eight hours, there are too many pins, some employers go bankrupt, and half the men previously concerned in making pins are thrown out of work. There is, in the end, just as much leisure as on the other plan, but half the men are totally idle while half are still overworked. In this way it is insured that the unavoidable leisure shall cause misery all round instead of being a universal source of happiness. Can anything more insane be imagined?

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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    I am not comparing right versus left. I am asking about the practical applications of the pin factory scenario

    And I’ve given you a practical plan USSR put out for reducing the work week. I’m really not sure what specifically you’re asking at this point. In a socialist country, the sole purpose of production is to create things that improve the lives of the people in that country. When automation makes so that there is less time required to produce things then people get more free time. USSR had over 20 days vacation as a standard and people had guaranteed retirement by 60, while things such as working overtime were pretty much unheard of. People in USSR worked far less than people in capitalist states do today.

    Business does not cease to exist in a socialist state, it only operates under different management.

    The nature of enterprise is completely different in a socialist state because the goal is not to create wealth for people who own the enterprise, but to produce things that people living in the state need to live.

    You’re also conflating management structures with the economic system here. The first step is to create economic relations that create correct incentives which is what a socialist state with a publicly owned economy accomplishes. Only then can any discussion be had about what the best way to manage work is.

    All I’m getting as an answer is philosophical statements that I mostly agree with, but no examples of practical implementation

    Again, I’ve linked you a concrete example of implementation in USSR, I’m assuming you did not even bother opening the link.

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      1 year ago

      So your concrete proposal for the problem of implementing Russell’s proposed solution to the pin factory situation, is to somehow recreate a failed system that never implemented it? OK

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        So how do we convert Russell’s idea into reality? USSR

        But how exactly? USSR

        But what concrete steps should we take? USSR

        But the USSR was a failed regime that never implemented Russell’s idea! You haven’t read what I’ve written, have you?