• SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social
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    8 months ago

    So stupid. If they were smart, Iran’s leadership would use this opportunity to gain international support and clout by behaving like the reasonable ones while Israel is going rogue.

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      8 months ago

      What I struggle with the most is how the West just shrugged shoulders when Israel hit embassies in foreign countries.

      If this has happened in any other country/embassy the international outcry would have been much bigger. Those double standards which we apply to international politics are despicable. And this also creates a sense of impunity in Israel and we all see what that leads to.

      How can you preach morale when you yourself are wicked?

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      8 months ago

      Israel struck an Iranian embassy. Some things demand a response.

      Not everyone can be China and shrug off the US bombing their embassy in Serbia.

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      8 months ago

      That’s an interesting take.

      I think it helps to remember that these decisions are often made by people who have very specific goals that aren’t aligned with the nation itself. Generals who want to get promoted to higher levels, government ministers looking to curry favor with their patrons.

      You might be right, but they’re likely not trying to improve Iran’s standing. They’re looking to each improve their own. Also, most people in these positions, in my observation ARE very dumb.

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        8 months ago

        Iran wants to keep their street cred.

        After America killed their general, they let us know when they’d be attacking. They didn’t want any Americans being killed but they didn’t want to look like punks. They knew we wouldn’t escalate.

        Making that assumption with Israel is stupid. If they kill one person, Iran is going to get bombed. Israel doesn’t back down. With the recent riots in Iran, the government may collapse.

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    8 months ago

    The attack is expected to come in the form of missile or drone strikes against Israeli government sites

    I already said this phrase last week because I don’t expect Iran to actually escalate the situation or send actual assets like the air force because they too are just as incompetent at fighting as their arab nation neighbors.

    I’d love to see a skilled airforce or military take on the IDF, but afaik that doesn’t exist around Israel besides the USA.

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      8 months ago

      Hmm, now replace Iran with the USA, and tell me how would you feel if someone has bombed your embassy and killed a bunch of its employees? Would you still tell us that the US should not retaliate?

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        8 months ago

        I mean both of you are correct. I find it difficult to say that Iran would be wrong to retaliate. They have all the right in the world to do so.

        Would it be a wise decision? I don’t think so. A war against Israel wouldn’t be beneficial for them. But if they start one, they are fully within their rights.

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        Iran is not the United States. We have the military might to strike anywhere in the world. We can invade any country in the world. Iran can’t do any of those things. I get why they want to strike back but strategically it’s a bad move. I think they should pitch their case to the UN. Israel should not have attacked their consulate. It wasn’t an embassy that was attacked. Hell I support Israel but I can’t defend attacking the consulate. I won’t even attempt to defend that.

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          8 months ago

          And that’s exactly the double standards I was talking about. Letting someone act with impunity creates a very dangerous precedent.

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            It’s not a double standard. It’s just a fact.

            If they escalate with Israel. It won’t benefit Iran. Netanyahu isn’t afraid to use further force. He’s shown that in Gaza.

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          Yeah. Because Arab nations don’t have the resources as Western ones, they typically have to resort to terrorism to fight back.

          This is why the “war on terror” is such a big deal. It means that any poor nation who tries to fight a wealthy one is immediately in the wrong.

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            Iran isn’t an Arab nation, nor Afghanistan or a plethora of other countries we’ve fought. Your point stands though. That’s why they revert to terrorism.

            I think we should have allied with Iran to fight isis

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    Biden and Scholz have proven that there is literally nothing that will stop them from supporting Genocide. They really want WW3.

    Israel committed a blatant act of war on Iran and they keep delivering israel weapons and. Biden even blocked UN condemnation of it.

    At some point the Iran cannot conclude anything other than diplomacy with Nazis being impossible. The only reason israel can do unlimited escalation is because Genocide Joe endorses it all.

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      That’s a pretty huge detour to take to decide that Iran attacking Israel for an action Israel took is Joe Biden’s fault. Things are allowed to happen in the world without them being the fault of the US.

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        Yeah how could an American F35 throwing an American bomb and American blocking of the UN resolution be Joe Bidens fault?

        I cannot figure out how Joe Biden supplying israel with all the equipment to commit this extreme violation of international law and afterwards promising to protect israel against any retaliation could possibly be relevant here.

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          A US company selling F35s doesn’t make them responsible for everything that F35 ever does. There were no American decision makers saying to bomb the Iranian embassy. There was a US decision maker when the US (prior administration) killed Qasem Soleimani, blame them for that. You have to see the clear daylight between killing someone with a gun and selling someone a rifle they later use for murder.

          Promising to protect Israel is a tactic to prevent retaliation, obviously. If you asked the Vatican I’d bet they are against Iran retaliating. It doesn’t retroactively cause blame for Israel’s actions to shift to everyone who doesn’t want Iran to retaliate.

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            Selling weapons to a person or group which you know will abuse them does actually make you guilty.

            Can you address the party where American blocked condemnation of the strike at the UN by the way?

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              Blocking condemnation doesn’t cause guilt for the initial act. You can agree or disagree with that activity separate from anything else we are discussing.