Shouldn’t have said anything, now I’m getting paragraphs upon paragraphs about Putler and how the West has a moral obligation to prolong the war in Ukraine for as long as possible 
Also while apparently it can’t be denied that the far right has grown somewhat stronger in Ukraine, the Ukrainian military had to rely on militias such as Azov so they wouldn’t lose, we should not worry because they haven’t seen that much electoral success
Here’s why your friend is a.misguided fool and feel free to use this: as a leftist your interest when war between two bourgeois powers go to war is primarily to minimize the amount of working class people being killed because they are the clas you’re attempting to uphold. This means that the war and therefore killing ending earlier is better so aside from not having a war in the first place the fastest route to peace is the best route. In this case that is Ukraine’s surrender, doesn’t need to be unconditional and could probably have been more conditional earlier but at the end of the day every way ends at the negotiation table and Ukraine’s power at that table has only lessened.
He believes Russians will [CW: SV]
spoiler
rape
and massacre Ukrainians en masse if they win. He also believes that if Putin isn’t taught a lesson now the Russians will do the same to other neighboring states next, because they’re monstrously evil barbarians apparently
Yeah this is just racism where Russians don’t get to be white anymore.
Hmm, I don’t hang out with people who are like this. My friends are leftists and know wassup and my co-eorkers and acquaintances are politically ignorant as hell but have the humility to believe what I tell em cause I can explain history good. If someone does have those views they keep it to themselves around me because I don’t suffer bullshit like that and will give someone a really really long lecture.
He’s a breadtube sort of leftist that used to send me videos of that one greasy debate bro we’re not supposed to mention, though that was a few years back before some of his controversies including the recent one that I think kind of ended his career
He’s also been sending me every single article about Donald Trump for like 8 years now
I hate to tell you, but there ain’t no such thing as an ex-Vaushite. Anybody who falls for that blatant huckster for more than five minutes is a deeply un-serious person on a base level and shouldn’t be trusted with making toast. Even if you talk them out of the Vaush cult they’ll just find another one in a month or so. Just drop the loser.
I watched Vaush for a month or two and breadtube for years. Now I’ve read Lenin. I’m not looking back. People can learn and it’s weird to insist they can’t.
I accept my fate. After watching his stuff, anything would be better.
This kind of “omg he saw propaganda, his mind is forever impure” attitude is deeply unserious. We live in a river of imperialist propaganda, writing off anyone who ever drank from the river is a losing strategy. You don’t have to be the person to do the 101 work mind you, and maybe this person does just suck shit, but your rubric is overly reductive
Look I’ve dealt with Vaush’s creepy cult for fucking years and the bullshit I’ve had to endure from them has left me with zero sympathy for them. Especially at this point, where we know the dude has pedo hentai on his fucking computer, anyone STILL defending him after that I have no patience for. If you want to try and pull them over fine but sorry I’m not ever going to want to be in a room alone with any of those fucks. It’s so blatantly obvious what a creep that dude is at this point I really don’t buy anyone leaving his community ONLY NOW is doing it out of genuine self reflection and not fear that even more damning proof that he’s a pedo and likely and Op comes out and isn’t just trying to save face.
its more about accepting that many people will fall back to whatever the default view is among the majority of their peers, you can explain things to people in person and they’ll act like they understand but the next day they are spouting the same talking points, because that’s what their media and social group promotes and they spend more time with them than the Lone Leftist of their social circle.
What are you getting out of this friendship?
We go back decades. Around the 2016 election cycle he had a pretty severe psychological episode and he became hyper-fixated on politics. He self-medicates with various substances on top of the actual medication he takes. He stays up days at a time and consumes political content, then posts entire essays into my inbox while arguing with people online on like 20 different tabs. I’ve learned to just ignore the political stuff
please, please talk to him about this. i was slipping down that rabbit hole and if my friends hadn’t pulled ke out sooner i would have been gone
I’ll just go ahead and restate the question
He’s otherwise a good friend?
Then I’d just drop the matter but he has to agree to do so as well do a disengage. Neither of your opinions affect the matter. They’re on the right page with Gaza though right? Cause Ukraine guy who can stop arguing about it if told to do so is one thing, but some stuff is a friend ship ender.
They heard that one and invented a take that “Putler wants to genocide and destroy all Ukranians” which is obvious nonsense give even UN put the military to civilian losses ratio in the war as something like 50 to 1 meaning it’s probably the most restrained major conflict since the dawn of industrial warfare.