• InevitableSwing [none/use name]@hexbear.netOP
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      In the lib brain - American civil religion is the most important thing in the universe and voting is a sacred covenant. The typical r/politics redditor the night of election day will unironically say…

      Look, if people had turned out - Biden would have won and our democracy would have saved. But they didn’t so we fucking get Trump again.

      I’ll want to say - I dunno - isn’t the super-low turnout Biden’s fault?

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        And then we’ll see these same types salivating at the thought of Trump’s policies hurting minorities because “They should’ve voted for Biden.”

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        It’s wild how there’s so much entitlement inherent to that attitude:

        Um Sweaty, don’t you realise that you’re morally obligated to vote or else you will get my disapproval?

        Um Sweaty, don’t you realise that you’re morally obligated to vote for Our Guy™ or else you will get my disapproval?

        …gosh, why are all these people so out of touch??

        There’s a non-insignificant chance that if they managed to scold everyone into voting that people might actually vote Trump in protest and they’d need to reckon with that instead of, you know, chastising people even more. I don’t think it would be likely enough to happen but the fact is that it’s not completely off the cards. It’s more likely that you’d see a swing towards third party candidates and spoilt votes that they’d get infuriated over people “ruining democracy” by not adhering to the demands that these voters play by their arbitrary rules and they’d lament how the Dems “could have” won that swing state if only that 0.5% of spoilt votes had actually gone to Biden.

        In a broader sense this is why countries like Israel play with shorter sentences for refusing conscription and why there’s a lot of leniency built into how long you are imprisoned for and why imprisoning conscientious objectors for short-ish periods serves a structural function that supports the state; if you jail conscientious objectors for like 10+ years then you turn those very disaffected non-participants mostly into bitterly disaffected recruits who then start resorting to becoming Chelsea Manning figures or they start a culture of the ol’ classic Vietnam War fragging of commanding officers (tyfys to those brave Vietnam War veterans unironically btw) , either of which is far more disruptive than having the government put a tiny percentage of resistors into a temporary time-out.

        (Not shitting on any conscientious objectors here tho. I have nothing but love and support for them and I support their committment and personal sacrifices they make on ethical and political grounds. Just speaking about how the government structures and mitigates the threat these people are capable of posing.)

        In a similar sense, if you’re “conscripting” people into being compelled to vote then you risk blowback from that. And I’m not talking like countries that have “compulsory” voting where the government sends you stern letters or they make you pay small fines for not voting here.

  • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    “Israel-Hamas War” Why do they do this? Everyone knows they aren’t going after Hamas and juat using the whole thing to ethnically cleanse the land for their own. As some “final solution” crap. Why does the media insist on these absolute gaslighting labourous terms?

    I know it’s rhetorical just sick off seeing them all phrase it like this or "Iran-backed-Yemini-associated resistance group it’s so Winston Smith-ing. Who talks like this. They are doing it to actively remove “Gaza” or Palestine from the converstion. It’s annoying.

  • the_post_of_tom_joad [any, any]@hexbear.net
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    Gotta start wondering if Joey and the DMC et al are losing on purpose at this point. It would take nothing to win this presidency against Trump. 8 mean the barest break in the beatings would be enough for us plebs. But i think they kinda liked the open grift not to mention the donation train.

    In a perverse way, a Trump presidency would legitimize the Dems (and this false democracy) for that much longer.

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      Democrats are trying very hard to win while playing by the rules of capital and empire. They can’t pivot to winning policies not because they are trying to lose, but because all the people who’d seriously consider those policies are drummed out of the party.

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        This but also capitalism has reached a very late stage in the US and Bernie-esque policies, while probably still achievable in a practical sense, are probably enough of a threat to the interests of capital that it might have motivated Business Plot reboot or it’s possible that it would disturb the fragile balance of the market enough that it might be enough to cause the house of cards to start collapsing.

        Think like if the US nationalised healthcare or intervened in the real estate market and started providing public housing - there’s a non-zero chance that this would pop a bubble in the market that would cause a ripple effect throughout the other bubbles like in the finance industry such as BlackRock which might just level entire sections of the US economy.

        I’m lowkey hoping that Tesla goes belly-up in the near future and this is the catalyst for exactly what I’m describing above.

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            I hadn’t actually considered the poetic aspect of that until you mentioned it lol.

            Could you imagine the psychic damage that Elon Musk would sustain if that happened?

            The dude was so wounded when he got booed at that surprise appearance at a Dave Chapelle show that his staff nearly called a wellness check on him.

            If Tesla not only sinks but it takes down a large part of the economy, or maybe it even levels the US economy, he would absolutely get scapegoated for it. If his reputation took a hit like that I think it would break his brain permanently.

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      Gotta start wondering if Joey and the DMC et al are losing on purpose at this point

      Of course they are

      It’s easier to do $1000 a plate fundraising dinners about how evil the Trump Republicans are when you’re fighting against them, far harder to do that shit when you’re in power

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        I had some degree of faith in this before but idk, he seemed to get reined in somewhere along the way after he started to stray too far from obstructing US foreign policy and into actively undermining it (think how he flipped on his position on the DPRK for some indiscernible reason - either he was on a grift and trying to woo the DPRK government and he entered into the following phase of trying to railroad his objectives with them and they said “Lol no” so Trump decided that they were terrible because they weren’t willing to play ball in exactly how he demanded they should, or the CIA had had enough of his shenanigans and decided to show him the Zapruder extended cut or they dug up the Epstein Cinematic Universe movies that he was on set for during the recording and they said pull your shit in or we’re really going to make you into a star.)

        Whatever the truth of the matter is, I feel like his policy on this stuff shifted pretty significantly and kinda out of nowhere. The dude’s clearly the most stable genius out there though so it’s hard to tell whether there’s something behind the scenes directly shaping these changes or if he’s just a wrecking ball that’s careening between one thing and the next.

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          Whether it’s true or not the liberals believe it is true. They are genuinely scared of that outcome.

          Somehow they are oblivious to how much damage Biden has done with the way Israel has been handled though.

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            God I wish that everything that liberals believed was true. Just think about it:

            • Communists have infiltrated colleges, and maybe even the entire education system

            • China is planning an invasion of the US

            • Trump is going to destroy the US alliance with Europe and break up NATO

            • Communists are a large and well-organised enough that they can undermine elections and they have enough people influence to sway people’s politics

            • Capitalism is good, actually, and it’s going to improve the lives of people in the developing world and things are improving for the people of the US

            • Voting for the Democrats will stop fascism

            • The “good guys” are good and the “bad guys” are bad

            • All we need is to tweak at the dials in order to make things right

            • The global hegemon is a benevolent force in the world

            Shit, don’t threaten me with a good time…

            You could randomly pick any one of these things and if you wished it into reality I’d be overjoyed at the outcome.

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        I don’t think the US president has that much power, the ruling class will probably make sure atlanticism continues unimpeded

        Watch as the US takes the europeans with them as they drown

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      I think biden knows he would not have won even if he did not allow any genocide so he is doing whatever he wants to do. I remember his polling sucked even before all of this

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    Democrats let America down by running a guy just as bad as Trump. Their incompetence, far-right policies, genocide funding and refusal to run an electable candidate have made Americans lose faith in voting at all. Liberals refusing to go left are every bit to blame if Trump wins.

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    They’re both running to try and lose the election.

    Trump never wanted to win in 2016 in the first place, now he just wants to raise money to pay lawyers to beat his court cases, not become president.

    Biden said he would only serve one term as president, because he was old. He doesn’t want to be president again, which is why he is trying to become a unpopular as possible.

    2024 is an unpopularity contest.

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      Simultaneously “lol Hexbear MAGA are furious they can’t stop people from voting!” literally another thread here recently.

      They wont be able to press those two buttons.

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      And with their bottomless stupidity, Dems will attempt to overcome this defeat by moving further right to appease “moderate” conservatives rather than courting the progressives that should be energizing their base.

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        Biden’s unconditional support for Israel is a vote for Trump. That’s a statement that will break Blue MAGA brains.

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        Yeah at what point do you talk about pErSoNaL rEsPoNsiBiLiTy with Biden. There is no way Biden and every single person around him isn’t aware how badly his policies w/r/t Gaza are killing him with voters. And yet he continues on. If you know you are doing something to tank your chances of winning and you do it anyway, why is your eventual loss on us leftists?

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      I’ve mentioned this before, but no lib has been able to explain the mechanics of how Trump could be worse than Biden on Gaza; because Biden already has his foot mashed down on that gas pedal.

      Biden is giving Israel all the weapons they could want and then some. The administration is providing cover for the Zionist entity at institutions like the UN and ICJ, as well as domestically in press conferences and PR. There is not one iota of evidence that Biden has applied any pressure whatsoever on Netanyahu. So… what else is there for a president to do? Literally the only way a president could go any further would be to (openly) put US troops on the ground and bombers in the air. But everything about Trump’s past indicates that’s definitely a bridge too far even for him.

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    Liberals are absolutely losing it lol. I can’t even imagine how insane they’ll get when trump wins and takes a metaphorical dump on American institutions and democracy.

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      do you want republicans to put gay people into the camps? instead of democrats? I heard from biden that he might spare 2 gays and you know how much he is a man of his word. just look at the border bill and how he never gave an inch to the republicans