• FlakesBongler [they/them]@hexbear.net
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    Just reminds me of that guy whining to Josh Sawyer about getting gay dialogue choices in New Vegas only to get told you only get those when you pick the perk that confirms you’re gay

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      Didn’t even call him gay lol. It just remarked that all of the units were men. This guy had the most closeted reaction I’ve seen in quite a while. “Oh so you’re saying I’m gay just because all my units are men? You’re saying I love men huh? You’re saying I would just love to fuck men huh? That’s what you are saying, is it? That I’d just love to suck a big fat juicy cock?”

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    Gamers: Everything is allowed in humor. Don’t be so easily offended, it’s just a joke, everybody is just looking for reasons to get offended.

    Game: You seem to like men.

    Gamers: pronouns

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    "I prefer Strong Able Bodied Men in my fantasy video game. "

    “I wonder if this speaks to the Arisen’s preference?”

    "NOO NOT LIKE THAT wojak-nooo "

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    NPC Dialogue: “I have noticed all of us are men.”
    This guys’ reaction: “Oh so you’re saying I’m gay, huh?”
    thonk

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      Well to be fair the dialogue has a cheeky reference to the players ahem preferences

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        You’re the only one putting in the “ahem”.
        The game is literally just pointing out the obvious. The player has a preference for men.

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            No I’m not being obtuse. I’m pointing out the fact that the game very clearly is not calling him gay or insinuating that he is gay, but is just pointing out the fact that he has a preference that his units be men. That preference can be because of so many things. The fact is that he chooses to assume the game comments on his sexuality, while it could just as easily be a comment on the fact he thinks them to be better warriors.
            If you put in ahem or something like that, then yeah it is suddenly cheeky, but it’s not in there.

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              The character is not commenting passively on things he sees, for instance, “Oh, the hero has a preference for pauldrons” or “wow, the hero likes to match shoes with his followers”. It’s specifically about a preference for being surrounded by men-- pretty directly connected to the term “sexual preference.”

              I understand what you’re saying, but people who grew up boys and men in a homophobic culture know exactly what this means. It’s not because they are insecure with their sexuality, it’s because enforced masculinity requires that guys come up with a million different ways to call each other gay. This is one of them and pretty much everyone in the thread recognizes it for what it is.

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                Yeah I think were just gonna have to disagree. I also grew up in such a culture, which is why I can see how it can be understood as a comment on sexuality, but since that is entirely something I put on it and not something inherent in the text, then I must admit that there is no comment on sexuality.
                “All the pawns are women, I wonder if this speaks to the arisens preferences?”
                “All the pawns are non-binary, I wonder if this speaks to the arisens preferences?”
                “All the pawns wear crop-tops, I wonder if this speaks to the arisens preferences?”
                “All the pawns are using spears, I wonder if this speaks to the arisens preferences?”
                “All the pawns are wearing sandals, I wonder if this speaks to the arisens preferences?”

                These could all be implying something about sexuality or they could be implying something about how the player thinks proper dress is, how a society should be, how their politics are, which units they thought looked cool and so on and so forth.
                I’m not saying it couldn’t imply sexuality - it could. I am saying it could imply a lot of things, and the fact that the OP assumes the game is calling him gay, speaks to a very defensive reaction, something that is typical for people who are insecure about their sexuality.

                Referring to “everyone in the thread” seems disingenuous to me. I have a bunch of upbears, does that then mean I can refer to all who upvoted my comment?

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                  but since that is entirely something I put on it and not something inherent in the text, then I must admit that there is no comment on sexuality.

                  It’s not entirely something you put on it. It’s the intention of the speaker as well as the cultural cintext. If someone calls you a b*tch, and you interpret it to mean dog, that doesn’t make the comment not sexist.

                  Now, this next part I could be wrong about because I don’t know what they actually put in the game, but don’t you think it’s sus that the writers specifically chose to include that line of dialogue for men exclusively and not any of the other identities you mentioned?

                  am saying it could imply a lot of things, and the fact that the OP assumes the game is calling him gay, speaks to a very defensive reaction, something that is typical for people who are insecure about their sexuality.

                  This is a pretty antiquated trope, honestly. Most homophobes aren’t secretly gay or insecure. They just hate gay people.

                  As a bi person who is comfortable with his sexuality, my perception that this is a homophobic jab isn’t based on any kind of insecurity, just social conditioning.

                  Referring to “everyone in the thread” seems disingenuous to me

                  I’m referring to other people in the thread because we’re having a subjective disagreement about how to interpret language. There’s no objective point that either of us can make on this topic. However, pointing to the room with many queer people who also interpret it as a gay joke is helpful to the conversation for this reason. It doesn’t “win” the argument.

                  Yeah I think were just gonna have to disagree

                  Yes, I do believe this is what needs to happen, comrade rat-salute-2

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    It’s really funny when reactionaries think they would’ve been some patrician army general in ancient and medieval times, or some noble chivalric knight trying to win m’lady’s hand, and not some peon peasant who’s sent as a decoy to be killed while the main army is flanking the side

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      patrician army general in ancient

      They don’t understand how crazy unlikely that would be. To be appointed a General, you had to be the patrician class, be in the Senate (only a few hundred members) and have the right connections, experience, age etc. The vast majority of Roman’s were subsistence farmers outside of big cities. A life of tilling a field and wondering if your elderly parents or young children might starve if the season is bad.

      And even if you as a commoner joined a legion, were the strongest/smartest/luckiest/bravest soldier your career would plateua at a senior centurion. And even if you were senior centurion commanding the first cohort (nearly 1000 men equivalent to roughly a full bird colonel), you are still a plebian and it’s exceedingly unlikely to you to rise any higher unless someone adopted you into a noble house and that was uncommon (though not rare).

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        The vast majority of Roman’s were subsistence farmers outside of big cities.

        Wasn’t it even more bleak than that: consolidation of land under wealthy owners of slave plantations meant that instead of even subsistence farmers working their own land a huge portion of the free population were effectively seasonal migrant laborers with no steady income or housing?

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          This is true of the middle and late Republic, but after the major conquests end and the large numbers of slaves stop being imported the slave numbers decline and the migrant farmers regain power. Eventually the big plantations become patronage/taxation networks for peasant families, and eventually those become the economic base for the fuedal system.

          Depending on the era you were a peasant in, you might even get the opportunity to participate in a secessio, the Roman equivalent of a general strike.

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    pronounjak: “Men good, women bad.”

    Game: “Whoa, easy there Shadow Kanji.”

    pronounjak-rage: “WHAT!?!?!??!?!”

    Bro, the game made a homophobic joke, something you specifically asked for more of. What more do you want?

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    Several chuds have posted their angry tears about the game’s pawns questioning their sexuality. Critical support to Dragon’s Dogma 2.