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    I was hoping it would be some kind of Mech he would get in and fight.

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      Can’t Biden just kill him? He has Presidential immunity. The Supreme Court doesn’t give a fig and Biden can do whatever he wants since they take 4+ years to eventually kick the can and further delay their decisions. By that time, Biden may well be 106 years old.

      Also, Trump has stated the Vice President has the power to certify the election results or not. So now Kamala can just usher Biden into a second term, “if she has the courage”.

      Like Mike Pompeo said, “There will be a very smooth transition to a second Biden Presidency…”

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        My fuck, if only the Democrats had the balls to use the Republican’s own tactics against them

        “Oh so since a president is, according to you, immune to all laws even after no longer being president, then Biden can just order a hit on Trump and all of you? Because as long as Trump isn’t arrested and left unable to run, that seems to be what you are saying. You have til the end of May :)”

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          That’s a big mistake. Dekocrats don’t lack balls to do what the republicans do, the just have a little bit of morals that the republicans completely lack.

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          That plus stopping the genocide would get my vote.

          Why bother giving the ultimatum if you wouldn’t benefit by them responding though?

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              Dude’s a concern troll. Don’t feed him.

              I detest what’s happening to the Palestinians too, and what’s been happening to them for ages. But pretending that it’s the only thing going on in the world right now that needs to be addressed urgently honestly just belies an enormous lack of awareness of current global events.

              And pretending that it needs to be a litmus test issue for whether people should vote for Biden is frankly idiotic, because I would bet my aggregate professional salary that Trump would have enthusiastically sortied several squadrons of B-52s to carpet bomb Gaza all Vietnam War style, and if you think that’s an improvement, you need your head examined.

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              The one Biden is can stop at any moment by not giving them the equipment they’re using to carry it out.

              Also the Uighur claim is laughable. Xinjiang doesn’t even have travel restrictions, journalists can just go there.

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                Yes yes, let’s not vote Biden, Trump would be a much better option to stop all of those genocides. ~ Says fucking no one…

                Trump is friends with all of the dictators. If you want to actually make a fucking difference then protest and write to your local politicians to put pressure on Washington. You trying to push this pathetic “don’t vote for genocide” bullshit is going to do nothing but it worse. Moral superiority doesn’t mean shit if you fucking burn everything down because you can’t make a big boy decision. An American Dictatorship will do nothing but make the world a darker place, and it seems you and the rest of the rest of these “don’t vote Biden” chucklefucks are doing your damnedest to bring thst about…which in turn only makes me think that you aren’t American.

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                  If you want to actually make a fucking difference then protest

                  I’ve been doing that.

                  Why are you wasting your time trying to shame powerless voters for not pledging to vote for Biden unconditionally instead of trying to get the people with power to see that if they don’t stop the genocide, they will lose reelection?

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        Instead of threatening to kill Trump, should the SCOTUS rule in favor of immunity, Biden should threaten to kill SCOTUS. Then they’ll sit up and pay attention.

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          He’d be able to jail governors until they agree to amend the constitution to make the president subject to laws henceforth.

          What a fucking joke.

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          Throw trump in Guantánamo. If anyone in Congress says anything against it or tries to impeach, send them as well. When the SC even decides to hear a case against Biden, throw them in Guantánamo as well. And then, hopefully bring back some sane laws. SC has already decided they don’t really care what The Constitution says.

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        Honestly, if the Tribunal of Six decides that Trump has total, unequivocal, blanket immunity at any point before Jan 6, 2025, Biden should just sic Seal Team Six on him. It would be 100% legal.

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          They won’t, because that’s insane. What they’ve done is make sure to the Supreme Court case will keep other federal trials on hold, and thus Trump won’t have a guilty verdict before election day. Trump can keep running and perhaps win, and at the same time the obvious and sane answer to the case will still come down.

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          That’s why they’re delaying all his cases. If they rule in favor of Trump, Biden will have the same immunity. If they rule against Trump, he probably loses the election. The only way for the fascists to win is to delay until past the election, preferably past the point when Trump is sworn in. And then on his 2nd day in office release their ruling that the President has complete and total power to do whatever he wants whenever he wants. All hail King Trump.

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            I really hope it doesn’t turn out that way, and at this point I think it probably won’t get to that point. But if it does, I genuinely don’t think there’s a way out of the situation without a civil war, and I say that because I am fully aware of how much of a psychotic toddler Trump is.

            He used the government as a punitive instrument pretty much the entire time he was in office. Anything genuinely good and humane that occurred was done by accident. I will not be surprised if he tries to nationalize the state ANGs in blue states and straight up depose the state governments, and THAT would absolutely trigger serious, violent, and organized backlash.

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              I will not be surprised if he tries to nationalize the state ANGs in blue states and straight up depose the state governments

              Agree.

              and THAT would absolutely trigger serious, violent, and organized backlash

              Disagree. Democrats are toothless. I bed Biden’s “robust” response to another attempted coup will be a strongly-worded letter. He shouldn’t be talking with lawyers, he should be talking with generals.

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          Immunity doesn’t make something legal, it just protects you from prosecution unless it’s revoked

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            The “immunity” that Trump wants the USSC to give him is effectively intrinsic, monarch-caliber “I am the law” immunity - effectively, he is working to get the court to declare that he is somehow just above the law in a categorical sense. We are not talking about immunity in the context of its understood and agreed upon legal definition in the United States.

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              Oh lol, I mean I think his legal team is just throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks

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        Like Mike Pompeo said, “There will be a very smooth transition to a second Biden Presidency…”

        I forgot about this horseshit

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    Sadly people will point to this and see it as proof that “Biden’s rigging it for himself!” and people will sadly believe it

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    Except - Trump owns the courts thanks to removed McConnell and his justice stealing, and the Republicans don’t give a shit about the rule of law anyway.

    What are a bunch of lawyers going to do in the face of a crowd of well armed republicans determined to fight to put Trump in the presidency? Jan 6 was a shitshow and they were lucky it was disorganized.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Numerous Democratic lawmakers, operatives, Biden campaign advisers, and administration officials tell Rolling Stone that if the president does ultimately beat Trump this November, the election will be exceedingly close.

    Top officials in both the Trump and Biden camps are expecting an uncomfortably tight election outcome in November, sources in both campaigns have told Rolling Stone on numerous occasions over the past year.

    Sources in and around the president’s legal and political operations say the Biden campaign’s current wargaming is informed by questions aides asked themselves in the wake of the 2020 election: What if there’s a rematch in four years with Donald Trump?

    Still, Team Biden has been planning for years sketching out what Trump could do as the leader of the GOP, and has partnered with the Democratic National Committee and a vast network of liberal attorneys and legal groups to conduct similar doomsday-style wargaming.

    Bidenworld’s closely-held list of nightmare scenarios — in which Democratic legal teams would have to battle it out tooth and nail with Republican counterparts before, during, or after Election Day 2024 — has grown “comically long,” says one source with direct knowledge of the matter.

    Biden campaign officials and other Democrats familiar with the topic tell Rolling Stone that a key concern, for which step-by-step gameplanning has already begun, is how to robustly respond if Trump and other leading Republicans try to engineer another Jan. 6-style power grab.


    The original article contains 1,511 words, the summary contains 234 words. Saved 85%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!

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    When Republicans want to make sure the elections are fair: “You’re all just losers and conspiracy theorists!”

    When Democrats want to make sure the elections are fair" “They’re just being careful.”

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    Is he doing that between naps and ice cream while these fucks are on vacation all while thousands of children starve in Gaza?

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    We could have just ran a popular candidate that helped people for four years instead of spending that time what to do about the unpopular candidate not being able to decisively beat the worst president in the history of America.

    A random empty suit off the street would easily beat trump.

    Probably would be handling genocides better too

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      this is the shitty world we live in for 2024. Unless one of these geezers dies this is what its going to look like.

      And no, a random empty suit off the street would not easily beat trump; when the corporate media aparatus is pointed at you things will always be like this because they want the worst guy to win, always.

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      Who is “we”?

      What is a “popular candidate”?

      There were actually elections, you know.

      Biden isn’t exactly my cup of tea but he’s more or less reasonable on the national field. And people should understand when you elect a president (despite what Trump would tell you), you are actually electing an administration, a structure of workforce based on certain values. As long as something crazy doesn’t happen that puts the speaker up there, for the most part it’s those ideas that are winning the elections.

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        And people should understand when you elect a president (despite what Trump would tell you), you are actually electing an administration, a structure of workforce based on certain values.

        A-fuckin-goddamn-men.

        This is what I always had a problem with as far as Trump is concerned. Trump only cares about Trump and he also believes he knows everything. He hires “yes men” not people who will inform him, not that he’s the type to accept information from others (unless it’s a lie meant to disparage his opponents.) That’s way more dangerous to us than his stupid Twitter usage and drawing on weather maps.

        It’s also why, although I don’t love Biden, I’m ok with him. I know he’s only responsible for putting the rubber stamp on ideas his administration is coming up with. He may issue initial goals, but the administration has the expertise and does the work and they don’t exactly seem like a bunch of ghouls in this administration.

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        There were actually elections, you know.

        In less than half the states…

        https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-primary-elections/calendar

        The primary is performative, the DNC has been openly admitting they’re not interested in fair primaries go like a decade now, even openly saying if they don’t get the results they want, they’ll ignore results.

        You might not have realized it yet, but you personally don’t need to understand something for it to be true

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          You might not have realized it yet, but you personally don’t need to understand something for it to be true

          Literally one of the shittiest ways to talk to a person and ensure they won’t take you seriously.

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      The amount of downvotes you’re getting for the most common sense solution is really sad.

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        I have a feeling all those crazy 2016 Clinton supporters were IP banned from most major social media sites.

        So now they’re on Lemmy.

        Theyre just as bad as trump voters. They don’t care about issues or what a candidate achieves if they win. They just want their “team” to win an election.

        That’s their end goal, so if anyone ever says a negative thing about their teams candidate, they take it personal and say the worst thing you can ever do is admit any flaws.

        It’s blind loyalty to a person. And that shit is fucking dangerous.

        I just can’t support that shit. I paid attention in history class. If the only two political options are that far gone, there’s been other political parties in America before, and there can be again.

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        The neoliberals here have formed the same rabid fanbase around Biden that trump has in his safe spaces.

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      You are right, but we’re kind of past the point where saying so is useful. But if Biden resigns and hands the reigns to Kamala, no way in hell should anyone accept another sham primary because she is an encombant. I’m so sick of these supposedly pro-democracy Democrats and their entire bullshit primary system.

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        but we’re kind of past the point where saying so is useful

        Bruh, the general hasn’t even started…

        It’s not too late to run someone that can beat trump.

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            Biden, for whatever reason, is an extremely unlikable president. Undeniably so. These two candidates might literally be the only two candidates that could lose to the other. Sad state of affairs.

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            Personally I think Bernie would still easily steam roll trump and is far more popular than Biden. Only way he would run tho is if Biden stepped down which he won’t… but that’s sorta the problem

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                I don’t think you can say what Bernie would do if Biden stepped down, he has stated that he will not run precisely because Biden is running again and he doesn’t want to make any voters think he was an option, the incumbent is just automatically going to win the primary. He doesn’t want to sour any voters that really wanted him to win the primary when there is no chance he will win going up against an incumbent. If Biden stepped down and it was an open DNC primary then I think Bernie would almost certainly run again.

                You are being weirdly stubborn in considering actual possibilities. I get that we are likely stuck with Biden but that’s because Biden is going to run again, not because there are no other options. Biden is not a good choice though and he should honestly step down, there are way better choices. Newsom would also be better than Biden and you could be sure if there was a primary with no incumbent in it he would be in there.

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            Arnold Schwarzenegger.

            He’s a proven leader, appeals to many on all sides of the political spectrum, and the supreme court has ruled they can’t keep someone off the ballot, and neither can states, so if the Senate Democrats don’t stop it then there’s nothing that can be done about it.

            If the leader of an insurrection can be on the ballot, a foreign born American citizen can.

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                Yeah, that’s kinda my point. He’s ineligible, but so is trump. The Supreme Court said that only Congress can keep someone from running, and the current Congress won’t do it for trump, and may not do it for someone running as a Democrat, if they could beat trump.

                He’s not running because he didn’t think he could, but the general hasn’t started, so he has time.

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          If you have a working strategy to get there, I’m all ears. Despite Biden’s lack of popularity, the vast majority of Democratic voters seem to be in the “don’t challenge an encombant” camp.

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            the vast majority of Democratic voters seem to be in the “don’t challenge an encombant” camp.

            Why would you think that?

            The DNC canceled NH’s primary because it’s been going progressive. And less than a third of voters would be happy if Biden was president.

            Voters didn’t get a say, lots of states haven’t even held.primaries yet

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              Still not seeing a plan. My state hasn’t voted yet, and I won’t be voting for Biden, but I still know he is the nominee. It’s not even really possible for him to lose at this point, and everyone else has dropped out. The party could replace him, but I don’t see that happening without some kind of major medical episode.

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                Still not seeing a plan.

                No, you just keep ignoring it, I said it a long time ago…

                A random empty suit off the street would easily beat trump

                We run someone else in the general.

                It cost a literal billion dollars for Biden to win his first presidential election. And that was by like 30k votes in a few states. He’s less popular now, especially in those states due to his actions in Israel.

                Do you legitimately think a random American couldn’t be trump with a billion dollars?

                Because it’s not going to be cheaper for Biden this time.

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                  I wasn’t as clear as I thought. Since you and I don’t get to choose the nominee, what’s the plan to get Biden replaced on the ballot?

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      bUtTrUmPiSwOrSe!

      Legitimately just do one thing for people that makes a visible, palpable change in their lives for the better and you’ll never lose an election again.

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        Biden has given a massive boost to unions in multiple ways, restarted enforcement of anti-trust laws, eased enforcement of Marijuana laws / moved towards decriminalization, and has forgiven $138 billion in student debt.

        I’m no fan of Biden and we should definitely demand better, but it’s ridiculous to claim he hasn’t done just one thing to make people’s lives better. This list is just off the top of my head, except the figure for student debt. I didn’t even include climate issues since there has been some bad to subtract from the good, but he’s been far better than any Republican would be.

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          what is this “move to decriminalization”?

          Just appoint a head of the DEA who won’t arrest people for pot and pardon everyone in prison for possession/distribution. He chooses to allow the violence of criminalization to continue.

          has forgiven $138 billion in student debt.

          The overwhelming majority of that was due to a bush-era law.

          We saw how much unilateral power the executive has under trump. We see how capable the democrats are of whipping the vote when it’s funding to bomb foreigners or lock them in cages. What would it take for you to realize they are not unable to do these things, but unwilling? I struggle to imagine a scenario that would prove that, which hasn’t already happened.

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            Any new DEA administrator would have to be approved by the Senate, and an an appointment that was a defacto decriminalization vote would not pass.

            The bar that was set in this discussion was that Biden hasn’t done anything to improve lives. I have already made a comment elsewhere in this thread indicating that I do not suffer from the delusions you are putting on me. Biden absolutely should be doing more, that just wasn’t the bar presented.

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            what is this “move to decriminalization”?

            Just appoint a head of the DEA who won’t arrest people for pot and pardon everyone in prison for possession/distribution. He chooses to allow the violence of criminalization to continue.

            You know he already pardoned everyone who was in federal prison for simple possession, 2 years ago, right?

            And told the DEA to reschedule it

            And passed a bill for full federal legalization, which the Republicans defeated in the senate?

            We saw how much unilateral power the executive has under trump.

            Yes, Trump famously got everything he wanted. Ukraine never got their military aid that he tried to block, and the Department of Justice famously bent to his every whim and prosecuted his political opponents when he kept ordering them to. I remember it well.

            We see how capable the democrats are of whipping the vote when it’s funding to bomb foreigners or lock them in cages.

            This is actually the most heinously dishonest of the things you’ve been saying but I have become discouraged and don’t want to spend too much more time researching and illustrating why this is all wrong.

            Family separation at the border was already dead when Biden took office; it only ran for about a year in the middle of his presidency. But Biden did start the task force to find the kids’ families and reunite them. The flow of immigrant children was quite literally in the exact opposite direction of what you’re saying under Biden: From being imprisoned in cages to being back with their families. Look up your own citation for it, I’m getting genuinely irritated that I have to spend time talking about this.

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              And passed a bill for full federal legalization, which the Republicans defeated in the senate?

              The president doesn’t pass bills, and this one wasn’t passed by those that do pass bills. Tell progressives again that they don’t know how government works.

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                I’m gonna cut to the chase of a longer comment I typed out. The only part that really needs to be said:

                “So, since there’s no way to argue with it factually, the combatant seizes on a deliberate misunderstanding of what I was saying and tries to reframe the whole conversation around that misunderstanding, in order to create a thing to disagree about which isn’t the factually-indefensible original thing to disagree about.”

                The rest and the context are pretty self-explanatory.

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                  You wanted to give him credit for passing something that didn’t pass and that he can’t pass. If you don’t want people getting on your case for it, don’t tell others that they don’t know how government works.

                  He proposed legalizing it. Nothing passed. Proposals and failures are not accomplishments. He doesn’t get credit for BBB for the same reason: it failed.

                  You may be willing to give him credit for failures. I give him credit for his successes, such as selling weapons to Netanyahu for genocide.

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          Also helps that any instance that gets taken over by MAGA or Russian Trolls can be ejected

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              Gotta love being called an evil shitlib for suggesting that Joe Biden isn’t turbo hitler and the current system, while flawed, can be improved and burning it all down would likely result in far more hardships than reforming what we’ve got.

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              Oh, come on. Centrists have been saying that everyone to their left is all the way to their right since before Clinton lost to every centrist’s second choice.

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        Let’s go

        • Biden took the biggest action on climate change in US history; the goal of the climate bill is to put us on track for a 40% reduction in US emissions by 2030. It’s way too late but that’s clearly not Biden’s fault since he started fighting for it basically as soon as he got into office, and managed to achieve passed legislation which is several standard deviations above the norm for “let’s ignore it until we’re underwater and on fire” US politician status quo.
        • Biden ordered the forgiveness of half a trillion dollars in student debt, about a third of the current total balance, and the Supreme Court told him no. He’s still managed to forgive $144 billion worth of it even against stiff Republican “no we need that money to give to Wall Street criminals pls” resistance.
        • Biden introduced a bill to legalize marijuana federally, which the Republicans killed in the senate.
        • Biden achieved the lowest unemployment in 20 years after having been handed an economy that was still digging out from the apocalypse that was 2020.
        • Wages at the bottom end of the economy have actually been growing, outpacing inflation, every single year that he’s been president. The top 10% of wage earners actually have lost some ground, it’s true – that probably makes “wages are growing” not feel true to most Lemmy users, because for tech workers, they’re shrinking. But the majority of US wage earners have been making more and more year by year. $15/hr is the new unofficial minimum wage in a lot of sectors. That’s not enough, but it’s sure as shit better than when he came in and unemployment was 6% and a lot of people and businesses were still dependent on Covid-aid stimulus payments.

        So Biden should never lose not just one election ever again, 4 times over, right? Literally just this week he gave out another 6 billion dollars in student loan relief.

        (Him being unpopular as parent comment said, I’ll kind of agree with, but that’s because our news media doesn’t bother to make any of the above clear to anybody or consider it as relevant to talk about as “BIDEN’S DOG FARTED it smelled really bad does this mean he’s in trouble in the election? Find out more”)