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I really do wonder how much of Gaza and its people are left standing and alive? Like what the real numbers of deaths are as the fog of war makes it so hard to really know. I fear once the world really reacts it will be too late. Maybe already is. So upsetting. All the wars are upsetting to me and so unnecessary.
Targeting the hospitals was a deliberate tactic to make this kind of information harder to reliably gather and disseminate.
Targeting journalists and UNRWA was also a deliberate attack to suppress the information going out of Gaza and also to cause the biggest possible suffering to the civilian population.
I feel its also important to note that they target more than just the journalists themselves, they also target their families. It’s really is staggering how deep the depravity goes.
Targeting all network and power infrastructure also prevented many people from sharing information on their phones.
If Israel succeeds, we’ll never know.
Is it not the opposite?
Part of “israel” succeeding would mean obscuring the situation by continuing to kill journalists and by propaganda
I think what he’s trying to say is that Israel succeeding would mean all of the Palestinians are dead, making the number of deaths equal or close to the population who remained.
Exactly. You cannot hide it when there is no one left.
We will see the result but not the details of the war crimes committed. IDF is working to cover their tracks, they know that once info starts coming out they will face backlash.
Has Hamas been slaughtering journalists and their families?
Not even at the same rate, just like at all.
They have to have had one or two right?
https://cpj.org/2024/03/journalist-casualties-in-the-israel-gaza-conflict/
Last I checked, 4 Israeli journalists were killed or captured, but (and this is important) they were not killed because they were journalists. It’s not like they were clearly marked PRESS, unarmed, and far from conflict zones. 3 out of 4 were not even at work, they were just people killed on Oct 7 who happen to be journalists. One was reporting on the music festival when she was killed.
Interesting how that works Huh?
And how many are not severely traumatized. Probably close to zero.
Better late than never I guess
no world in which the forced famine of 1.1 million people cannot be considered genocide
She should consider also applying this knowledge to the embargo on the Cuban people
Edit: Obviously not trying to downplay the genocide in Gaza if it came across like that.
I think she’s done that as well
https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/statement-rep-ocasio-cortez-demonstrations-cuba
We also must name the U.S. contribution to Cuban suffering: our sixty-year-old embargo. Last month, once again, the U.N. voted overwhelmingly to call on the United States to lift its embargo on Cuba. The embargo is absurdly cruel and, like too many other U.S. policies targeting Latin Americans, the cruelty is the point. I outright reject the Biden administration’s defense of the embargo. It is never acceptable for us to use cruelty as a point of leverage against every day people
Ooh based
AOC has been calling for a cease fire and more aid since last year. She might not have used the word genocide until now, but it’s not like she has been cool with things up till now either.
The fact that Alex Jones beat her to the punch on calling it a genocide is embarrassing.
The only reason he did that was because it allowed him to rail against jews. Had it been done by America, Jones would have cheered.
Had it been done by America
The US isn’t complicit. It (along with several European countries) are active participants by supplying weapons, intelligence and as is rumoured, bodies on the ground
My point still stands. The main perpetrators pf and main agitators for an extended bombing campaign (read genocide) are Israeli politicians. If the US under a republican President were to bomb the gaza strip to shut without israeli consent, Jones would be silent.
Honestly this whole drama is so immature.
“What Israel is doing is terrible, on top of their mistreatment of the Palestinian people for decades they’ve now crossed a line and seem to be willing to remove them all from existence. This is a genocide, and we should enforce a cease fire and an embargo.”
“What Israel is doing is terrible, on top of their mistreatment of the Palestinian people for decades they’ve now crossed a line and are killing people indiscriminately. The fact that some people are calling it a genocide is telling of the immense gravity of the situation, and we should enforce a cease fire and an embargo.”
“How could you NOT call it a genocide??!?!?”
Both statements are virtually the same thing, have the same worries and are calling for the same solutions, yet the later get shat on because it doesn’t virtue signal. There are lots of seemingly dumb reasons why politicians and PR departments may choose to use some terms and avoid others, and some of those decisions are mere pragmatism that doesn’t change in essence their goal or effect. I think AOC has flaws, just like almost any politician, but making a gigantic deal out of this smells like it’s been promoted by grifters looking to start drama.
At the beginning she was very much on the Israel side. The well known “israel has the right to defend themselves”. Even back then Israel was hitting hospitals.
She only flipped recently. Faster than the pure establishment Democrats, but still a very bad look.
This article from back in October of '23 does not state that at all, and I never read her take the position of “Israel has the right to defend themselves”, but rather the opposite.
Earlier, she called the events of the weekend “devastating for all those seeking a lasting peace and respect for human rights in Israel and Palestine” and said, “I condemn Hamas’ attack in the strongest possible terms.”
But she also called for an “immediate ceasefire and de-escalation".™
But it’s easier to make things up without citation, so people are probably going to, in the end, believe the other guys sadly.
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., condemned the “bigotry and callousness” displayed at a pro-Palestinian rally held this weekend and promoted by some of her allies.
The rally had been promoted by Democratic Socialists of America, a left-wing group that helped elect Ocasio-Cortez and other progressives, but it faced criticism from some of its own elected officials for endorsing the event, which was held even before Israel had been able to count the dead.
“It should not be hard to shut down hatred and antisemitism where we see it. That is a core tenet of solidarity,” Ocasio-Cortez said in a statement first shared with Politico’s New York affiliate late Monday.
“The bigotry and callousness expressed in Times Square on Sunday were unacceptable and harmful in this devastating moment," the congresswoman continued. "It also did not speak for the thousands of New Yorkers who are capable of rejecting both Hamas’ horrifying attacks against innocent civilians as well as the grave injustices and violence Palestinians face under occupation.”
She calls protest marchers anti-Semitic ?
No, there were pro-Palastine people at the event who were being anti-Semitic and she called them out. But in the article you see that while she has called the attack by Hamas an evil act she also stated that it was brought about by Israel’s treatment of Arabs in that country. She’s been asking for them to not slaughter innocent Palestinians since the beginning. It’s literally right there at the end of everything you quoted.
“The bigotry and callousness expressed in Times Square on Sunday were unacceptable and harmful in this devastating moment," the congresswoman continued. "It also did not speak for the thousands of New Yorkers who are capable of rejecting both Hamas’ horrifying attacks against innocent civilians as well as the grave injustices and violence Palestinians face under occupation.”
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Pretty bad comparison when Cubans have higher life expectancy than Americans.
That’s thanks to the excellent healthcare system. The country is still lacking in food, medical supplies, and building materials — all of which could just be imported as necessary like any other country if not for the embargo.
At this point, I think some American politicians and policy makers are afraid of Cuba surpassing the US in living conditions if the embargo is dropped, and Cuba is given a fair shot. A thriving Cuba would serve as fodder for a leftward push in politics in the US, and I don’t think any of the lobbyists or their puppets want that, at all.
Not to mention that, given the average age of said politicians and policy makers, one can only assume many of their brains are heavily washed with the Red Scare era propaganda.
And it would be even better if not for the embargo.
Dont be fooled. Shes doing this to not be voted out, not because she cares
Why do you think she doesn’t care about people dying? What would make you think that?
Something about waiting after 40000 deaths to take a position
Here she wants a ceasefire on Oct. 9: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/statement-rep-ocasio-cortez-violence-israel-and-palestine
And here she calls one of the methods a war crime: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-introduces-amendment-banning-israel-using-us-aid
Nov. 15 looks like where she’s solidified the public position more firmly, and with associates https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/24-members-congress-call-biden-administration-establish-ceasefire-protect
“I condemn Hamas’ attack in the strongest possible terms. No child and family should ever endure this kind of violence and fear, and this violence will not solve the ongoing oppression and occupation in the region.”
Yeah, cant take it seriously.
Yes, completely expected that despite her calling for a ceasefire, you would find something objectionable that is also 100% disqualifying. Weird that what you chose is the condemnation of a terrorist attack but okay.
Resistance to colonization is not terrorism. Its a really weird point coming from people who praise so much your own fight against the British colonization
If you want actual quotes from AOC, look at her social media. The mainstream media, where you likely got these false notions about when she called for a ceasefire from, is invested in getting her out of office.
Look this is true but AT LEAST it’s how politics is supposed to work, it’s not about choosing the most ethically and morally consistent person, it’s about having a person in the seat who will vote the way their constituents want, no more
She looks like a 60 year old cat lady in that photo
Nothing ‘unfolding’ about it. It’s been mission genocide since day one.
Yeah, it’s more “intensifying”.
AOC knows this, and still votes for or present on all of Israel’s military aid packages.. Like most democrats, she knows how to say one thing for optics, but do the exact opposite.
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I really wish people would see through AOC’s crocodile tears when it comes to Israel… she has consistently voted FOR all of Israel’s funding bills in congress.
She’s even to the right of the rest of “the squad”, and was the only member to not vote against a 1B USD package to fund Israel’s Iron Dome.
The thing about urges is you don’t have to act on them
After AOC voted present rather than no on a 1B USD funding bill for Israel’s iron dome:
According to the congresswoman, “In the macro of national impact, I probably should have gone with my values - which would be to vote ‘No’ - but in the micro, I do believe this created a window in our community to bring all folks to the table.”
translation: my seat is vulnerable because i’ve failed to build a durable progressive coalition and there are zionists in my district who would do everything they can to end my career
Maybe I have something like schizophasia or whatever that is, but this sentence itself without translation to normal language already read wild.
In general I probably shouldn’t have participated in holding that guy with my buddies while other buddies kick him until he’s dead, but in specifics I think this is a positive thing that we’ve done it together.
Cracking one open with the boys
Wow! I’m so impressed with her immense moral courage! It is so brave to do the right thing only when doing so becomes less damaging to your career than not doing it would be.
Yeah I like to think that the threats to remove congressmen who use the word genocide to describe the actions of an ally have started to lose power since the ICJ ruling and the more recent War Crimes accusations.
Oh good, the bullying worked
The focus groups on whether or not using the term genocide would lose or gain support finally reported in.
A reminder that even the good politicians fucking aren’t.
It took a special kind of sociopath to think yourself the best person to decide on which laws should be followed by millions of people. Civilization is inherently doomed to collapse. You just need to know whether you’re at the tail end of one to make a decision whether you want to prepare for the collapse to survive to live few years longer or just welcome the destruction and maybe your consciousness will reform sometime in the future.
AOC has had this position from the start. I’m getting so sick of edgy cynicism. If you really gave a shit then you would be paying more attention instead of seeking it.
Not calling it a Genocide is complicity
She has yet to actually vote no against any Israel funding bill. The bullying hasn’t worked yet.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/aoc-iron-dome-criticism-failed-attempt-defending-vote
ONLY TOOK FIVE FUCKING MONTHS
Pls run for president in 2028
Agree.
social democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism
reminder for all the readers that social democracy killed Karl and Rosa with Freikorps personnel - quelling the communist movement threatening to achieve the aims of the revolution that put them in power. Freikorps then seamlessly transitioned into Nazi leadership a few years later
the above poster isnt exaggerating or anything
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Do you think Biden will face accountability for aiding in a clear as day, blatent genocide?
US Law states that we’ll do anything and everything in our power to make sure no US official ever sees justice. So, no I highly doubt it.
Unfortunately no US president will ever face a war crimes tribunal, despite the devastation and mass murder they’ve caused. In 2016 alone, Obama dropped an average of 3 bombs every hour on the middle east and north africa. Its a sad truth that none of these people will ever have to pay for their crimes.
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What exactly was the strategy? Provoke Israel into overreacting and then hope every other country in the region would be forced to step in?
In marketing we get told ‘hope is not a strategy’.
The strategy is to die fighting your oppressors.
Not very nice of them to volunteer everyone else
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the most present politician in congress
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Oh no… It has begun
Maybe I don’t want to get fucked while you are doing yoga.
The original comment was deleted but I can’t imagine what would elicit such a response as this XD
Is that you, step-guru?
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How is the indigenous resistance surrendering going to end generations of apartheid and occupation?
Well they’ll either be dead or forced out, so technically it won’t be apartheid or occupation any more.
fuck off lmao
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