If you show me a windows fanboy I’ll show you a bridge for sale.
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I disagree. They might not go out of their way to recommend windows but when any other alternative is mentioned they 100% start arguing.
I’ve seen people on r/programming complain that they hated linux and open source cause it gave them a way to use a feature in vlc that wasn’t there natively. The other day I saw someone complaining that linux had window rules.
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As a long time Linux user, I had a humbling experience when I started using OpenBSD and had to look up all the details like “what is /dev/rsd1c?” or “how do I connect to wifi automatically?” It’s not hard, and it’s right there in the manpages, but it was a little overwhelming figuring out everything. And then I was already used to the unix-like terminology, I can only imagine coming from windows.
So considering most everyone who thinks Linux is too hard is going off the state of Linux 10 years ago or longer, I cannot agree with you. “You can possibly have an issue” is not something that even Microsoft’s huge budget can save them from.
My laptop camera still doesn’t work on Linux lol
I’ve spent 0 minutes trying to fix it, but in my defense, that’s exactly as long as I should have to spend fixing it, and it’s exactly as long as I had to think about it on Windows.
That has as much to do with installing the os yourself vs buying a machine with the os preinstalled… I’ve had plenty of machines where some part or other doesn’t work well or at all because they need drivers that aren’t available for whatever reason…
That sucks. Yeah, there’s a million combinations of hardware out there. I on the other hand installed linux on two pretty ancient laptops and revived them from being too slow to even use with windows, and the builtin web cam worked perfectly on both. /shrug
No one is saying Linux has no challenges, just that the image of it that most people have is outdated. I’ve had issues on windows with some extremely stupid hardware issues myself. Can’t pretend it’s perfect either.
I don’t think anyone is deranged enough to call Windows “perfect”. It’s just the most supported operating system by virtue of being the most widely used operating system. And it will likely stay that way until enough people like us show up in the usage statistics for manufacturers to consider first-class Linux support.
I doubt those issues, like the mic not working, are worth having ads in the start menu, candy crush being installed automatically at various times without user consent or being dropped from updates like a hot potato after a few years, even though the hardware is still okayish.
Apropos hardware: Windows is slow AF. It always runs dozens of silly services that waste resources. Now some Linux distros run a lot too (like cups when you don’t have a printer), but for some reason Linux doesn’t eat RAM for breakfast.
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I can make Bluetooth work under Linux, but not windows server 2016…
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Your can conjure them up quite easily.
- Go to Steam Forums for a game that doesn’t support Linux
- Post a new thread, politely asking about the possibility of native Linux support
- A Windows fanboy appears to tell you that you are wrong
- Warning: Since the introduction of the Steam Deck, it’s a bit harder to conjure up a Windows fanboy on the Steam forums, so you might have to try on a couple of game forums to conjure up your Windows fanboy.
It was a default for so long that people just got used to the feel of it and its “ecosystem” if you can call it that.
I use Win at home and at work as my main desktop, because of familiarity, the apps I got used to and because I just don’t feel comfortable with any Linux UI. I get annoyed when the Win UI gets even slightly changed between OS versions, so imagine how it would be for me just switching to Linux. I have a dual boot, but the Linux partitions always gather dust no matter the distro.
But I wouldn’t touch a Windows server. I’m apt with the Linux on work servers, my home server, RaspberryPi and routers. It feeels like having swiss army knives and I feel at home in a command line.
This doesn’t make me a fanboy, but I do get raised eyebrows from co-workers.
I’m a window 7 fanboy. The rest can get bent. XP would have been good if it didn’t blue screen so easily
Win10 LTSC-E is pretty great. Shame you can’t use it without a large scale government contract…
True. I’ve been enjoying Windows 10 now that I’ve really tuned it to my liking. It took too much work to get it there though so I don’t really fanboy for it.
I wish there was a legitimate way to get the LTSC version because it’s very close to my tuned one
Who would’ve guessed
Have one?
There’s a lot out there if you know where to look.
Plenty in the windows support forums. Look for the guy who’s not an MS employee still there helping people. Don’t make too much fun, they’re the only ones who’re any good and sorting out issues…
Are they fanboys, though? I used to be one of those guys back when I used to help debug Windows permissions issues (it was always permissions issues) when getting .NET code to run on Windows 7. If anything, I think a lot of Windows people know that everything on Linux is far better supported and had more developer oversight, but ultimately these were the tools you had to use to use your language of choice.
If anything, it led to such a deep imposter syndrome that I ended up moving away from C#. While I could be just as productive in Windows as I was in Linux (even today), having to use “different” tools or run “special” commands to get something as basic as Ruby running on your OS constantly made you feel that you were running against the current.
Many of them are, yes.
Not all of them, but many.
Not sure how long ago you used C#, but these days the entire .NET Framework and C# compiler are open-source and cross-platform, and the latest versions of .NET have native ahead-of-time compilation (“Native AoT”) which lets you compile C# apps into a single executable file that can run on a system that doesn’t have the framework installed.
Visual Studio is still Windows-only, but VS Code is available everywhere and has good C# support, and JetBrains Rider is great too.
You can get PowerShell on Linux too. PowerShell is really nice once you get a feel for it. You pipe objects rather than strings, so there’s a lot you can do easily without needing to use grep/cut/sed to manipulate string streams.
I stopped around 2016, so it’s been a while, but it’s something I still really miss. I remember .NET Core being a thing, but didn’t see enough movement in places looking to transition away, so I jumped over to a different stack.
.NET Core was renamed to .NET in 2020 to signal that it’s the main framework now. It had mostly reached feature parity with the old .NET Framework by then. .NET Framework is still on version 4.6.x and isn’t receiving updates other than bug fixes, so a lot of people have migrated to .NET.
C# keeps evolving and there’s a bunch of useful language features that have been added even just in the last few years.
I’ll bite. Where’s my bridge? It better be cheap and run windows xp embedded
Sorry, it runs Winblow$ 95 🤭
We actually had a laser tracker controller that ran embedded xp32, headless, for one driver - netbeui. Pure insanity.
That is surprisingly accurate.
I mean it essentially boils down to “thing I don’t use is bad”.
I don’t see that message in the image. Also, having used all three platforms for over 20 years, I feel like what I see in the image pretty accurately describes what a lot of the enthusiasts I’ve known in each camp describe about themselves and the others.
As someone else who uses all three on a weekly if not daily basis, the only one I disagree with is the Windows row, because i honestly have never met someone in person who I would describe as a fan of Windows, just folks that understand how to utilize it well. But even they shit talk it and Microsoft regularly
Wait… can a Mac run multiple monitors? It must be able to, but the only pictures I see Mac people posting of their desktops only ever have a single monitor. Clean desks and a minimalist aesthetic, but never multiple monitors.
the only pictures I see Mac people posting of their desktops only ever have a single monitor
That’s because their monitors cost $2k
They are computers. So yes.
The M1 macbooks only support 1 external monitor natively lmao
There are issues with Macs and multiple monitors, but one thing they do great is that they can easily support multiple monitors with different dpi settings and refresh rates (including variable refresh rates), which turns into a big pain in the ass to get right in Linux.
Look at this guy, never used wayland before
Wayland on Nvidia is finally getting to that “bit quirky but overall awesome” point, and it feels like my PC just got a major upgrade without switching any hardware. Absolutely buttery smooth 144hz and I love it. Plus no more having to block compositing to use my creative stuff like Blender and Krita smoothly! :D. Ride, hardware, ride!!! HIYAH!!
The M1/2/3 Pro, Max, & Ultra chips all support multiple displays. It’s just the base model chip that doesn’t.
M3 MacBook Air supports two external screens if you close the lid.
If you get one big monitor (extra wide) that’s all you need
Macs are used in a lot of “creative” industries and professionals tend to benefit from multiple monitors. Every editor I’ve known cuts on a Mac with at least two monitors.
It’s like the same meme about developers.
In this format there’s usually a single column that is the core and everything else is an assumption.
In the developers meme designers are children eating paint because the column of truth is for software devs.
…macintoshes have featured native multihead support since at least 1987…
I’m the weirdo who regularly uses all three. I think a lot of Mac people use one screen because MacOS has better desktop switching than the other two OS, especially if you’re using a trackpad. I personally use two screens but have used as many as three.
MacOS has better desktop switching than the other two OS
Can you elaborate on this? As a tiling WM user, I feel as if I can confidently challenge this assertion.
I’m using 3 on my M1, so… * shrug *
Yep.
I have three monitors in addition to my main iMac screen, coupling that with their extremely clean desktop switching has me by the balls until Wayland is fully working with Nvidia(if it’s not already, I admittedly am not paying attention until I stop getting OS updates)
Well, at last Microsoft is micro and soft. Still behaving inappropriately.
I’m a Windows user and have bwen for many many years. I recently started learning Linux so I can hopefully one day be competent enough to justify never having to buy Microsoft ^TM branded lube again.
My partner, and much of my friend group, are a Mac users.
I am a programmer so I know many many Linux people.
It is Shocking how accurate this meme is LOL
And every panel is true 😂
LOL
Didn’t read, not enough JPEG
Always meme in .jxl
Damn you Chrome team!
At the risk of being unpopular, I have a home with a decently-powered Mac desktop (I used to work as a video editor), a Linux notebook for my personal use, a Windows notebook as required for my daughter’s online school and even a Chromebook for my wife’s use because it was all she felt she needed.
This meme is accurate in some ways, but the biggest way in which it’s accurate is that people judge others for the OS they choose as if it is some sort of character flaw if they choose the ‘wrong’ one.
Running all of these OSes in one home, I’ve been able to see the advantages and disadvantages of each and I can’t really say any of them would be the right one for everyone, so I’m actually glad there’s a range of options. Even if those options can be overpriced or bloated or difficult.
MacOS is really the only one I never understood unless you’re really tied to the Apple ecosystem.
I’d argue the “just use Linux” meme is more relevant for Mac users than Windows.
I want to love Linux as well, but it does require some troubleshooting skills I’m too lazy for these days Additionally, some of my games require anti-cheats that just don’t work on Linux.
MacOS has in my experience the best multiple desktop system of any OS I’ve used, it’s also just a very very polished Unix system that I can always count on to work until my machine stops getting updates, and since it’s an Intel Mac as soon as it does I’ll put Linux on it.
Edit: this obviously ain’t a deal breaker but iTerm is the best terminal program I’ve ever used by a wide margin
MacOS is really the only one I never understood unless you’re really tied to the Apple ecosystem.
I’d argue the “just use Linux” meme is more relevant for Mac users than Windows.
At this point when I’m choosing a computer I’m really just choosing a hypervisor front end.
MacOS gives me all the familiarity and transferred knowledge that I built up with Linux, but with a much more polished desktop experience. I like the Messenger sync, it helps me actually notice texts from my partner when I’m rabbit-holing hard. I like Mail better than Outlook (or Thunderbird or whatever the modern mail client on Linux is now).
I just prefer MacOS as the glue between all my VMs that I work in each day. I’m personally on the desktop pc with Windows for gaming, MBP for all my work/hobby work (using VMs with whatever OS is necessary that day), and headless Debian on any servers train.
Personally, I think you’ve got the right approach.
Hey I also edit video and other graphics heavy tasks, as someone with all the OS you settled on Mac for work, is that because of reliability and lack of crashes? My machine with an i9 + 3090 is starting to blue screen kind of often, CPU fan errors when the fans work fine and I have the i9 throttled to keep it at reasonable temps… Always rejected Mac and if I could my machine would be on Linux but until PS+LR works on there I don’t think I can switch.
That’s a strange question from a video editor. I settled on it because it’s been, or at least was when I got the Mac 7 years ago and the ones before it, the industry standard for decades and it facilitates with compatibility with other people you may be working on a project with.
I don’t work in industry but mostly as a solo operator so I do whatever I want ;)
Maybe I’m a Windows fanboy.
Windows flyboy
How’d they get a picture of my terminal
I like htop
Yep it looks cleaner than btop imo
I have yet to meet one person that actively likes Windows, it’s always that they use it because it’s the only thing they know
You guys have Stockholm syndrome
I like windows for it’s low latency ASIO drivers.
it’s always that they use it because it’s the only thing they know
Or they are forced to use it because of X application that only supports Windows and Wine doesn’t work well enough for it to run on Linux
If Windows is good enough for John Carmack it’s good enough for me. Tried Linux as my main driver for a couple years and there were nothing but hoops, problems and endless configurations to jump through. Why do I have to learn every goddamn thing about the operating system to use it properly? It’s like washing your clothes by hand. Ever tried that? Well I had to for several months once, not fun at all. So yes I actively like Windows.
Alternatively you learned to jump through all of Window’s hoops over the years of using it. Also, experience in the sense of configuration and hoops can vary wildly by distro. Linux has of course not always had the cleanest UI/UX but it’s always getting better and simply does not have the level of investments as Windows or MacOS. When Linux does have investment and runs on corporate sponsored hardware it’s usually pretty solid and easy to use e.g. ChromeOS, Android, and many server and cloud products. Also some people may appreciate the level of customizability that “washing clothes by hand” provides.
Your right. I dont like windows, but i still like it a hell of a lot more than linux and mac.
I’m a Linux user and I usually see Linux the way that it is depicted for the Windows user. The terminal is beautiful and my favorite interface for interacting with computers.
I’m a linux fanboy and I bought a macbook… So where do I sit on this chart?
Middle right
Other Linux users will see you as the “Mac as seen by Linux fanboys” panel haha
Do you run MacOS on it? Do modern Macs even allow other OSes any more?
Kind of? There is one singular Linux distribution designed to work on macs, and it’s still missing a lot of features the last time I checked
I do run MacOS on it… Tbh I really don’t care for it, the workflow is like a slightly worse gnome with KDE settings. I needed a 0 fuss 13 inch laptop with a good screen and a good battery life and a macbook was just the most logical option for me. I would like to try asahi at some point, however I don’t think their M3 support is quite there yet. I still use linux on my main PC though.
Staring at a mouse, wondering how you do things with one button.
At between linux and macbook
Windows
No god, NO GOD PLEASE NO
Sadly try (3,2)
Funny enough, all of these are true in some way
I don’t see Linux as surreal, just as the default computing experience
