• gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    10 months ago

    Interesting that he chooses to say the people having a genocide done on them need to surrender (which they’ve literally done and been shot anyway btw) and not the perpetrators of said genocide needing to stop.

    Probably because the Pope is and always has been a piece of shit

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      10 months ago

      Interesting that he chooses to say the people having a genocide done on them need to surrender

      Huh he didnt say this about the people in Gaza, what are you talking about?

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            10 months ago

            Unless you also consider the Iraq war/ Afghanistan war to be genocides

            I mean… Lets be real here. They started the “war” on a false pretense and then killed a fuck ton of civilians.

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              A million civilians AND the birth defect rate went through the roof after the war AND they destroyed every single piece of infrastructure they could find including water and power AND they used chemical weapons like white phosphorous which is the modern equivalent of napalm

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          Lmao well you sure don’t use the actual definition of genocide

          [T]he ICJ ruled on Friday that it will not address whether Russia violated the 1948 Genocide Convention by using what Ukraine says were trumped-up genocide charges as a pretext for the war, even if the invasion may have violated international law broadly.

          Instead, the case will proceed to assess whether Ukraine committed genocide in the eastern parts of the country, as Russia claims – a matter where judges ruled that they have jurisdiction.

          https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/2/2/icj-rules-that-it-will-hear-part-of-ukraine-russia-genocide-case

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            10 months ago

            Holy shit… you are completly spinning it around. Insane…

            For context: the ICJ said they aren’t allowed to rule about Russia commiting a genocide. But Ukraine has asked the court to check if Ukraine did commit a genocide in eastern Ukraine, like Russia claimed. Its Ukraine asking for this investigation.

            '“In the present case, even if the Russian Federation had, in bad faith, alleged that Ukraine committed genocide and taken certain measures against it under such a pretext, which the respondent [Ukraine] contends, this would not in itself constitute a violation of obligations” under the genocide convention, the ICJ said in the ruling read out by its president, Joan Donoghue on Friday.

            The ICJ, known as the World Court, said it did not have jurisdiction to rule on whether Russia’s invasion violated the Genocide Convention, or on whether Moscow’s recognition of Donetsk and Luhansk, two breakaway republics in eastern Ukraine, amounted to a breach of the convention.

            But the judges said they would allow Ukraine’s request for the court to rule that there was no “credible evidence that Ukraine is committing genocide in violation of the Genocide Convention” in eastern Ukraine.’

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      10 months ago

      War crimes like the forcible transfer of children (i.e. genocide) are for the ICJ to deal with. As a religious leader his prerogative is to reduce suffering and death, by whatever means necessary.

      More importantly, Russia can keep this up far longer than Ukraine and he doesn’t want us to fight to the last Ukrainian.

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        I remember when they said they said they were going to charge Russia with war crimes and then when they investigated they found Russia wasn’t doing any war crimes, but in the process discovered they themselves were actually doing quite a few of their own. Every right wing accusation is a confession.

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        10 months ago

        Right, a smaller country can never successfully resist a larger one. That’s why Vietnam has been under US occupation (or was it French? I can never remember for some reason) all these years since Ho Cho Minh wisely surrendered to spare his people’s lives.

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      10 months ago

      Well, if Pope is called “piece of shit” for calling to negotiations to prevent more people dying, then who are you, who’s ok with war going on? Entire shit?