• Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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          Only at night.

          The lunar exosphere is too skimpy to trap or spread the Sun’s energy, so differences between sunlit and shadowed areas on the Moon are extreme. Temperatures near the Moon’s equator can spike to 250°F (121°C) in daylight, then plummet after nightfall to -208°F (-133°C).

          https://science.nasa.gov/moon/weather-on-the-moon/

          Which sounds like a pretty big challenge for a nuclear reactor. Maybe they only plan to put them on the poles?

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          The big problem with space is overheating. Space may be cold but there is no way to get rid of that heat except for radiators. Convection doesn’t exist in a vacuum.

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        That was my first thought, but then my second thought was even more terrifying - how do you protect your nuclear power facility from celestial impacts? The moon must get pelted with thousands of little bits of space debris every day considering it has no atmosphere. All it would take is a basketball-sized meteorite to slam into the reactor chamber and possibly cause a meltdown.

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        Heat also dissipates via radiation, not just conduction. I would imagine that nuclear power on the moon won’t involve hauling a lot of liquid coolant/heat exchanger/energy transfer because liquids are wicked heavy, hauling that up to orbit and then landing it is gonna take a lot of energy. They do acknowledge that cooling is an issue they’re working on.

        Maybe some kind of RTG? I couldn’t find an article that said what the NASA contractors chose to build.

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          No, RTGs just don’t generate the kind of power you’d need. I mean, they’re awesome for generating electricity for a long time, but just not a lot of it. No, these are fission plants.

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        Not really. Current battery technology is to put it lightly not the type of thing you want to rely on for long term life support. Lithium ion the current go to for rechargeable batteries physically degrades as you charge it. One of the main things you can do to reduce this is don’t fully charge the battery. For example if the battery degradation from 0%* to 100%** is a cycle then 50% to 80% is only 21% of a cycle. That’ll extend the lifetime of the battery (not the capacity) by about 5 times! That’s pretty significant but you lose out on 20% of the batteries capacity permanently, even as the capacity decreases from degradation.

        You’ve probably seen the hype about Sodium batteries which are currently 50% less energy dense which just immediately means NOPE for use in space.

        * Lithium ion batteries are extremely difficult to actually fully discharge (controller won’t let you)

        **Lithium ion batteries should never be fully charged it causes them excessive damage so the controller prevents this from happening

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          They do it on the ISS though?

          Although Li-Ion batteries typically have shorter lifetimes than Ni-H2 batteries as they cannot sustain as many charge/discharge cycles before suffering notable degradation, the ISS Li-Ion batteries have been designed for 60,000 cycles and ten years of lifetime, much longer than the original Ni-H2 batteries’ design life span of 6.5 years.

          Electrical system of the international space station, batteries

          Also related:

          Peak of eternal light, Lunar North Pole

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            ISS doesn’t have a two week long Lunar Night where solar panels dont work

            The eternal light idea is fascinating but even in the best case scenarios, you’d need batteries to supply all power for two full days. In the more prudent case since lives depend on it, you’d need significantly more to cover any outages

            Meanwhile, 2-3 nuclear reactors strung out on different sides and with redundant connections, and you’re good for 20 years and many types of outages