• Dessa [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    721·
    9 months ago

    I’m trans and terrified of Trump, but refuse to vote for Genocide Joe. I pray daily for the death of them both

  • happybadger [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    531·
    9 months ago

    I see every liberal around me enthusiastically wiping the blood on their hands onto their face like they’re the German kid from Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. This makes me mad because in 2020 I voted PSL and it turns out they’re anti-genocide, so I don’t have any blood on my hands from then. 2024 is my only chance to get some of that blood before the most important election of our lives in 2028. Joe Biden has swung so far to the right that this is my opportunity to vote for unlimited genocide on the third world without looking like a bad person.

  • duderium [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    391·
    9 months ago

    I live in a swing state and I’m not voting for Biden or Trump. The trans genocide / end of abortion rights is already happening under Biden, and even democrats on the local, county, and state levels who pretend to care about this will still vote endless amounts of money to the police.

  • Hohsia [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    341·
    9 months ago

    Also, it really seems like people don’t understand the electoral process as much as they think.

    Say that some kind of left populist was (somehow) received the most electoral votes. I feel like I can say with near absolute certainty that the delegates who actually vote would not allow this to happen and even if they did, another entity with more power would stall the process and/or change the rules, and everyone would accept that as normal.

    This is why I believe voting at the national level is fundamentally pointless. How anyone can believe they’re making a difference at this point is beyond me.

    Ignoring the genocide for just a sec (what a fucking wild sentence) but at this point, I don’t even think Biden would be better for minorities than Trump. Because it really comes down to STaTeS RIgHts at the end of the day, and if you live in a red state, you’re not going to change anything without collective organization

    • edge [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      221·
      9 months ago

      I feel like I can say with near absolute certainty that the delegates who actually vote would not allow this to happen

      The electors are chosen by the party at the same convention where the candidate is nominated. If the party opposed their own candidate they would just not have nominated them in the first place.

      and even if they did, another entity with more power would stall the process and/or change the rules, and everyone would accept that as normal.

      You’re right here though. It’s up to each state’s government (usually the state Attorney General) to finalize the result of their election and thus pick which slate of electors they send.

      Alternatively, it’s up to Congress to actually count the electoral votes and finalize the election. That’s what January 6th was about. They have since passed a resolution saying that part of the process is a formality that can’t have an effect on the result, but they’d absolutely ignore that if necessary.

      But it depends on who that “left populist” is. If Bernie had won, they likely wouldn’t have gone that extreme but rather just stalled his policies in Congress and the courts. He’d get some basic (and acceptable to capital) progressive policies through via executive order - like descheduling weed - but he’s too much of a lib to do anything much further left than the New Deal. Remember, Bernie’s policies wouldn’t stop capitalism but rather save it from itself (temporarily ofc).

      If Claudia de la Cruz somehow won, yeah they’d probably stop that.

      • Infamousblt [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        24·
        9 months ago

        That’s still a funny enough outcome honestly. America forcing Europe to destroy itself from the inside out would be fantastic. Extremely critical support to that outcome I guess.

      • chickentendrils [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
        81·
        9 months ago

        This is still good and inevitable, I think. I’d imagine the analyses of many forumgoers here is the US inevitably will follow a similar trajectory to the previous Nazi state, with Biden prolonging the inevitable because his people have managed decline their entire careers. That role is not difficult by any stretch of the imagination, it’s the default do-nothing position which keeps the public funding the empire and the ruling class as shareholders of the increasingly automated war machines and surveillance equipment. North America is the strategic position, physically, and where most of the ruling class is ultimately forced to hole up down the road. At least Trump’s people and personality hasten or deepen the fractures in NATO, or inadvertently bolster multipolarity. It’ll be less comfortable at home for a few years if he does win, it’s not like we necessarily deserve better though

  • Infamousblt [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    241·
    9 months ago

    I’m gonna go against the grain and say yes, yes there is.

    If you’re white middle or upper class and don’t care about anyone but yourself, then yes, there are many points to voting for Biden.

  • CDommunist [they/them, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    23·
    9 months ago

    On an individual level your vote means nothing. Vote (or don’t) for whoever makes you feel best

    In the Weimar Republic would your individual vote have stopped the rise of fascism?

    I voted for Hillary in 2016 and Trump won. I voted 3rd party and Brandon won. There is no correlation between my individual vote and who won. It’s possible to “vote wrong” as a lib may put it and the ‘good guys’ (brandon) still wins. It’s possible to vote for the ‘right side of history’ and the freaking cheeto still wins

    Don’t make such a big deal out of it