• Doubledee [comrade/them]
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    172 months ago

    Well how about this tankies:

    Putin can have a peace deal when his army packs up and returns to ruZZia and lets the adults in Switzerland decide what peace is gonna be without including one of the belligerents in the conflict they’re resolving.

    smuglord

  • @filoriaOP
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    Terms seem rather agreeable and a far sight better than any peace deal that would be signed today.

    Why the fuck did they not sign this? It properly codifies security guarantees from the UNSC, only properly relinquishes Crimea, leaves the LNR/DNR up to diplomacy, and makes Russian an official language along with Ukraine (which captures the fact that some 34% of Ukrainians speak Russian).

    Hundreds of thousands dead and wounded, millions fled from the country, Crimea still lost, Bakhmut lost, Avdiivka lost, and for what? To “prevent another war” despite more comprehensive security guarantees from the UNSC? To “bleed the Russians dry” despite being outproduced by the sheer industrial output of Soviet-era machinery in Russia? To “stand up for sovereignty” despite clearer and clearer signs of covert US intervention during and following Euromaidan?

    What a fucking mess.

      • LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA [he/him]
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        302 months ago

        What’s the weather like in Moscow?

        every time i see this i instinctively think its a bit. Surely there are not human beings this fucking deluded.

        • @stoy@lemmy.zip
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          I am sorry to have to tell you this, but history doesn’t have a starting date as a concept.

          The maidan protests were hugely important and is not just fake propaganda.

      • @nekandro
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        Let’s be clear: your claim is that no fighting occurred before Russia’s invasion in 2022?

        • @stoy@lemmy.zip
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          No? That is exactly why I didn’t enter a date in my post…

          Putte did attack Crimea in 2014, that is what I consider the start of the current conflict.

          • anaesidemus [he/him]
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            152 months ago

            Putte? Is this some language thing or an infantile baby name a la Putler?

            The roots of the conflict lie in the illegal dissolution of the Soviet Union

            • @stoy@lemmy.zip
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              Putte is a Swedish name that is commonly used to talk down to a person, calling them small, it is similar to Putin, and I like insulting dickheads with imperial dreams.

              As for the “illegal” dissolution of the Soviet Union, that is a different discussion and happened 22 years before the invasion of Crimea, and can’t be used as an excuse for the invasion in any rational argument based in reality.

                • wildncrazyguy
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                  Pop quiz, what is the largest country in the world by geographical size?

              • anaesidemus [he/him]
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                152 months ago

                So it’s both, got it.

                It’s not an excuse, it’s a cause. It causes regional instability that eventually results in a civil war in 2013 that escalates further in 2022

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            If Japan, South Korea or whoever suddenly had a Chinese backed coup and took control of US naval bases in their country, what do you think the US response would be?

            Because that’s exactly what happened in Ukraine. US backed coup, Russia moves in to Crimea to secure it’s black sea naval base.

            Is this the first time you are hearing this?

            Here’s another what if. What if Scotland voted for independence from the UK and became socialist or whatever. Do you think England wouldn’t seize is nuclear submarine bases north of Glasgow?

            How fucking baby brained are you?

          • CarbonScored [any]
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            52 months ago

            You mean the conflict that literally started with the people of Donetsk and Luhansk taking up arms against a government that was explicitly shutting down their language and implementing outright oppressive laws against their ethnicities?

      • Flyberius [comrade/them]
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        I mean, the US was stirring up shit on their doorstep for nearly a decade, backing a coup and then dangling NATO membership over the noses of the new puppet government. What did they expect to happen (p.s. they knew exactly what would happen, the US wanted a war)?

        And I mean, if the US can start wars half way across the world to protect its borders and interests I don’t think they can be too surprised if another power does the same thing in their own front yard.

        Regardless, I find the NATO malding utterly delicious. US about to lose yet another war.

        • jackmarxist [any]
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          192 months ago

          Favourite thing about this is that he literally admitted like 30 years ago that expanding NATO will provoke a reaction from Russia eventually and was against it before he got the MIC bribes. If they were so keen on expanding NATO then they should’ve let Russia into it when Yeltsin was in power and they could’ve had the entirety of eastern Europe in their fold but they just couldn’t resist punishing the Russian people for trusting the west in the 80s.

      • SoyViking [he/him]
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        212 months ago

        You are either a deeply unserious person or you’re doing a very commited bit. I can’t decide which one it is.

      • @kookaburra
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        What’s the weather like in Moscow?

        Thanks for asking, it was around +10 degrees per Celsius this afternoon, which is quite warm for this time of the year. But there is a downside as there’s melting snow everywhere.

        You know what also would have saved lives, and reduced tensions? Not going to war in the first place, the fact is that Putte was the one to attack and start this whole shitshow means that Russia is in the wrong, not Ukraine.

        This profound analysis is a real gem of modern Western thought!

      • @carl_marks_1312
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        You know what also would have saved lives, and reduced tensions?

        Not expanding NATO.

          • jackmarxist [any]
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            172 months ago

            NATO started expanding before putin was in power. In fact Joe Biden warned the US government that expanding NATO will naturally provoke Russia.

              • jackmarxist [any]
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                122 months ago

                Yep NATO is famous for defensive wars like the Defense in Iraq, the defence in Afghanistan, the defence in Libya, the defence in Syria and all.

                • @Omega_Haxors
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                  Don’t forget the defense on drugs.

              • wildncrazyguy
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                And to add to that, Putin thinks that Ukraine shouldn’t exist. So naturally what do you think the government of Ukraine is going to do?

          • Alaskaball [comrade/them]
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            122 months ago

            NATO has been the driving force in expanding NATO. Literally none would care if we didn’t have to worry about that asshole western neighbor

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            It’s also pretty silly because there are two NATO member nations closer to Moscow than Ukraine.

            But hey, I can’t imagine why the people of all these democratic nations keep voting to join a mutual defense pact. It can’t be because of anything to do with fear of being invaded by the unstable dictator next door, after all, we know the world only exists of the US and Russia and no other people could possibly have a voice in their local government or matter in any way.

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      The terms seem agreeable?

      The terms that restrict the size of the Ukrainian military, bar Ukraine from receiving foreign assistance to rebuild its military, forbid it from seeking security guarantees from any country or bloc, … The terms that would have made it trivial for Russia to further invade at any point in the future?

      Those terms seem agreeable?

  • originalucifer
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    welp, hes got nukes and hes willing to use them; so theres nothing the world can do but let him. ‘peace’

    • @Alsephina
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      Ironically, Russia’s no-first-use nuclear policy was revoked by Yeltsin, who was a US tool.

    • @Shrike502@lemmygrad.ml
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      hes got nukes and hes willing to use them; so theres nothing the world can do but let him.

      I too am afraid of Joe Biden

      • @stephen01king@lemmy.zip
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        -52 months ago

        Are you serious? The only people who have threatened the use of nuclear weapons are Putin, his ministers, and Trump. What does Biden have to do with this?

        • Biden has been a defender of the US first strike nuclear policy for his entire career. You can literally go watch a funny clip from an old debate where Senator Gravel (RIP) tears into Biden, Obama, and Hillary on the topic all at once. There’s also a good one where they get shit on for the Iraq occupation (still ongoing btw).