Ok, I can get sort of disagreeing the wildfires are from climate change - that’s a couple of logical steps you have to make. But “It’s not causing anyone to cough” is plainly ludicrous. It was making me cough when I went outside.
“It doesn’t smell bad”? Maybe they have COVID and lost their sense of smell altogether? It certainly smelled bad to me. And if you thought it smelled great - wow. I just don’t ever want to be around you if you like those sorts of smells. I can’t see it actually working with anyone who’s ever been in wildfire smoke before - like you don’t need science or education or anything to notice if it makes you cough, or tell something doesn’t smell great.
Let’s be real. A lot of these people don’t actually believe anything that comes out of their mouth, but if they think it’ll trigger a liberal they’re down with it.
I especially don’t get this “dying to trigger the libs”. Interesting tactic I have to say. I am not compelled to try and trigger anyone - are they all trolls now or something? I have more interesting things to do than to cut off my nose to piss someone else off.
I think there is a lot of pride to be conservative coming into play here. Hard to explain, but I sometimes see this in my family. They proudly present their ignorance to show off their conservativism, hold it in front of them like a banner. When I inquire a bit deeper their views are often a bit more reasonable, it just feels like average boomers wanting to be cool by flaunting their ignorance, as weird as this sounds.
Yeah it feels like most right wing people are more progressive than they think.
I’m not from the U.S. but everytime I talk with a conservative we agree on a lot of things once they stop talking with slogans
That’s my experience too. Often when I talk to people they have pretty moderate or left-leaning views that would fit well in any of our more left-leaning parties. However the majority of them still votes for our biggest conservative party, which openly promises and does the opposite of what they claim they would want in a conversation. Frustrating.
Well yeah, they wouldn’t want to be a stupid science removed.
Yes, there are likely lots of people like me who remember having smudge fires to keep the bugs down when working outside in the country or how a campsite smells.
But, living in Alberta, with the air quality rapidly going to hell, the notion that breathing this stuff in day after day even if only when outside is somehow not harmful is ridiculous.
I often find with really nuts conservative ideas there’s this kernel of truth that they are based on. The conservative focuses on that, the progressive focuses on the crazy parts. I am not excusing this. The lack of critical or deep thinking is a serious problem. All I’m trying to say is if you meet them in reality you might be able to find some common ground and maybe help them see another point of view or learn a little yourself about their perspective. Doesn’t quite work that way dealing with online trolls but occasional can in person.
The documentary Behind the Curve explores this idea a bit. It follows die hard flat earthers around their daily lives to get to know them a bit more.
There’s a running theme throughout the movie that these people weren’t very happy with their lives prior to becoming flat earthers. Joining the “movement” gave them instant friends and a sense of direction. There’s subtle hints now and again that most don’t actually believe the Earth is flat, but they feel like “coming out” would ruin their reputation with their new community.
I get the sense that a lot of right wingers feel the same.
The Right uses fear and intimidation to keep their base in line. They brainwash their children into believing as they do that an absolute authority exists and someone will tell them who that is and that to succeed in life all they have to do is follow a proscription.
and the reason we don’t hear much about flat earth any more is because most of them moved on… to QAnon.
“Hey look I proved the Earth was round with a relatively long lage, a semi-proffessional camera and a jury rigged gimbal.”
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
Perfect description. Thanks for sharing.
People I work with are infinitely suspicious of the wildfires. They say shit like, “Hmm, isn’t it odd they all started around the same time?”
Yes, Jeffrey, that’s how wildfires work. Entire biomes burn to the ground if the conditions are hot and dry for long enough.
Yeah, there’s a “Trudeau started the wildfires as an excuse for carbon taxes” narrative that is insanely popular among the Canadian right wing.
I’ve even seen some “15 Minute Cities” theorists claiming the fires are being lit in order to “drive people into the liberal cities so the government can control them”.
It’s just entirely divorced from reality.
Some 15 minute cities critics really make me laugh when they fail to realise the area they live in is already a “15 minute city” with a school, grocery store and library a stone’s throw away, no car or bicycle needed
They are basically living out “Don’t Look Up”.
Think of all the jobs the wildfires will create!
You don’t need a high level of education to know you shouldn’t inject bleach into your system to kill COVID-19, and yet people died listening to Trump’s suggestion.
“people died listening to Trump’s suggestion” is undoubtedly true, but are there any documented cases of someone actually injecting bleach, much less that leading to their death?
I can’t find the article anymore because it was back in 2020 when I read it but a woman claimed her father injested bleach after seeing Trump’s press conference and died from it. The only articles I find now are upticks in poisonings. Maybe it was debunked since then?
Injecting, don’t think so. But ERs in the states that villify any lifestyle other than theirs saw a drastic uptick people drinking bleach. Also never forget Ivermectin.
I kind of gave up trying to convince my family that this isn’t healthy, especially my high risk family members. I don’t get why they just don’t seem to care, especially the ones with major health problems.
Same … it’s clear that attempting to convince my own family is just as effective as speaking to a charcuterie board. Want to breathe the smoke? Fine, go ham. I’m fresh out of pity for the science deniers.
But that’s the thing, the people in my family refusing to take precautions have health issues and use science when it keeps them alive! Like, which is it???
I’m 38 with good breathing but I have multiple sclerosis. Wildfires make it so I’m unable to move my legs or do much of anything. It’s real and some people are idiots.
I effectively grew out of my mild asthma when I was younger (especially as I stopped being around cigarette smoke), so I had a bit of a panic when I had symptoms for the first time in 10 years last Tuesday before I learned why it looked like a doom map outside…
That must have scared the shit out of you. To have something mild come back and more angry is a no thank you.
I don’t know why it’s so hard to understand that breathing particulate matter into your lungs isn’t a good thing… A child should be able to understand this. My 10 and 12 year old INSTINCTIVELY understood this… they pulled their shirts up over their nose on their own when we woke up and went outside on the first bad day.
The world is burning down around us and these clowns would sooner burn with it than admit there’s anything wrong…
There will come point where they have no choice but to admit something is wrong, no matter how much try to ignore it.
I hope you’re right. It would still be to late but to hear them admit guilt / denial would be astonishing.
It’ll be when they’re stepping on your head trying to save themselves…
I used to think that way, but climate change doesn’t discriminate. It will be the great equalizer. When global famine first hits, those with the most hoarded will become targets and no amount of private contracted bodyguards will be able to protect them. With that being said, it’s easy to be doom and gloom about climate change but please have faith that ultimately humanity will persevere even though it will get quite bad for a time. Remember, climate doom is just another means to encourage apathy and inaction. All hope is not lost, and future generations will pull thru.
Right wingers and being wrong, how surprising
We expect them to choose the objectively cruelest of right-ish answers, but not be completely incorrect on something as fundamental as smoke inhalation.
This is some next-level stupid.
I don’t get this weird need to be contrary to everything, doesn’t it get exhausting?
I think it is the “if you’re not with us, you’re against us” mentality driven ad absurdum.
Especially the US seems to strongly polarized that anything said by someone who could be considered left leaning, will mean that the entire topic is now a leftist topic and that you have to take the opposite stance to it, no matter how stupid it is. That’s how topics like climate change ended up becoming so politicized (and not in the way it should have).Not for the rich oil tycoons. But yeah, for the brain washed masses it must be exhausting. But I think that only furthers their rage and obstinence. They’ed rather that than admin they’ve been fooled or used.
It comes from the same place as the deeply held but mutually exclusive beliefs that the government is both totally stupid and incompetent but also so capable and efficient that they are somehow carrying out massive conspiracies on the entire citizenry.
They’re not just doing it to do it
well that’s part of it, but it’s mainly “if we accept that climate change is real, then it’s us who are at fault for it; as such we need to discredit and downplay it and anything resulting from it”
like they have a vested interest in saying that it’s not a big deal, it’s a conscious choice that they’re making; they’re not being stupid (or at least not in choosing to deny this)
I mean, to me (in the DC area, so not nearly as bad as it was further north) it just smelled like a campfire outside to me. It wasn’t a particularly offensive smell.
But I could FEEL that the air quality was bad every time I took a breath, and I don’t have any kinds of respiratory issues.
Ok, if you were further away it could have smelled different. Up here in NY it smelled like burning trash and plastic and chemicals. It was horrible. I was referring to people who live in the same small town as I do, so they had to smell the same thing.
To be clear I’m not downplaying how terrible it must have smelled in more heavily effected areas; I didn’t mean to come across as doing so.
It doesn’t help that there was a landfill fire nearby right when the wildfire smoke was blowing in. Or that VA was trying to keep it quiet so everyone would just blame the Canada situation for the air being so bad.
I’ve also been seeing so many comments on news posts about the fire talking about how they are intentional fires.
I don’t understand how these people are allowed to spread such misinformation 😔
#NotTheOnion
I’ve been coughing a lot, while working outside the last few days. I’m in Ohio, and it doesn’t look particularly dusty or smoky, but my lungs can sure feel it.
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Anyone working outdoors those three days should have used some kind of face covering over their mouth.
“This doesn’t kill anybody, it doesn’t make anybody cough, this is not a health event,” he added, contradicting public health experts and basic common sense. “This has got nothing to do with climate. This is wildfire smoke. This is natural. This is not because of climate change. This is not because of fossil fuels.”
Seriously, we should start making laws that put rich powerful assholes in jail when they start spouting obvious lies that make the world a worse place.
What’s that saying, where’s there’s smoke there’s liar?
Of course, everything bad is actually good. Not long until we hear that cancer is actually good for the body…
It’ll be something like:
“Metastatsize in moderation” or “Tumor responsibly”
Well, there were already some of them promoting testicles tanning, so go figure
