• naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca
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    9 months ago

    They literally were negotiating at the start of the war for this exact outcome: Russia pulls out and Ukraine maintains neutrality.

    Johnson threw a wrench in those plans.

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      9 months ago

      Sorry what? You’re blaming Boris Johnson for this now?

      One person has the power to put an end to this: the person who started it. Putin.

      • Skua@kbin.social
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        9 months ago

        I’ve seen this Boris Johnson argument several times on here and never once seen anything even remotely approaching a convincing explanation of what leverage Boris ever had to do this. Like a deal for a white peace with Russia was on the table and Boris somehow twisted Zelenskyy’s arm into fighting by threatening to not send weapons that wouldn’t be necessary if there was peace anyway?

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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          9 months ago

          It’s an idiotic straw man to claim Johnson had some personal leverage over Ukraine. What’s actually being said is that Bojo was delivering the message from NATO to Ukraine that if they accepted the deal then NATO would not act as their guarantor and they’d be left on their own.

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      9 months ago

      Ukraine was never going to abort neutrality lol. Being a NATO member does not affect neutrality.

      Also remember the Budapest Memorandum? Ukraine literally gave up nuclear weapons as instructed by Russia, for the promise that was broken.

      I’d say the wrench was thrown by someone else. Or, rather, someone hit their own head by a wrench good enough to lose all mind.

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      9 months ago

      Do you still believe the UK is the empire where the sun never sets?? How the F would the UK even be able to influence these events.