Read the comments in the chains that are beneath it. https://old.reddit.com/comments/13ylk42/comment/jmnp04a
My participation will be low here for the time being, but this is something that affects all. Brace yourselves.
Additional information that borderline fascistic instances like sopuli.xyz already exist (Finland NATO supporter), and lemmy.one (PrivacyGuides admin) is run by a US/Canada nationalist that defederated Lemmygrad day 1 and calls people here liberals.
I’m sure you do, but why would I expect a rational counterargument from a reactionary whose ideological existence depends entirely on contrarianism rather than logic? and why would I subject myself to pointless and logical-fallacy-fuelled back-and-forth from you?
If your position had a sound argument, I would never have had anything to object to. By the tone of your indigent response, I know I can only expect trolling. i stand to gain nothing by engaging such childishness.
Invading another sovereign nation is wrong (and illegal), and, therefore, Russia is wrong.
come on man you just didnt see what instance this was posted to, this is embarrasing
It’s not very intuitive to see what instance it’s posted on if you’re on kbin. Understandable mistake if you’re new.
they’re a lemmy user, it’s really easy to see the instance of a community on lemmy
if you expect me to feel bad for upsetting a bunch of fascists, you’ll be waiting forever.
The rest of the world learned how awful and evil you all were 100 years ago. time to catch up, cupcake!
huh??? You clearly left a comment thinking this was lemmy.ml, it’s ok to admit you messed up this is actual nuclear grade cope I’m reading
awww, you don’t get it. don’t blame me for your inadequacies. goose your own step, but don’t cry when others call you out for it.
goddamn I’ve never seen cope make someone act like this. Please, it’s not to late, you can get yourself off of copium your family loves you
I’m sure if you cry about it more, that will make it all better.
i’m here for the show 🍿
reddit users bringing over all the bad attitudes of reddit. Trolls are the last thing the Fediverse needs.
“bad attitudes” like invading other counties to conquer and oppress them is wrong. HOW DARE WE!
@whiskeypickle this is embarrassing lol
if you feel embarrassed, you can always stop.
Seems a fascist did get upset
“i know you are but what am I?” is the argument of a child
You are so high on your own supply, I don’t think it would be possible for you to actually craft a coherent argument for a single position you hold. Your entire post reeks of entitlement, self righteousness, and moral indignation, wrapped in virtue signaling.
The position of critical support for Russia in the proxy war with the US is sound and valid. It has 15 years of empirical evidence behind it. The liberal position is the one that requires axiomatic decontextualization in order to be even remotely defensible.
But worse, you think that the existence of a sound argument precludes the need to fight for the position. This is the brain rotten liberal position that correct ideas are all that’s necessary. As it turns out, if you pay attention to empirical evidence, false narrative has proven to be far more powerful than truth and false narrative has led to the mass genocide of hundreds of millions at the hands of the Eurocentric world powers over the last several centuries. So, not only is the critical support of Russia sound, the soundness does not preclude the need for engaging in rhetoric to combat false narratives.
And you would understand all of that if you weren’t too busy sniffing your own farts as a way to cope with the slow inexorable collapse of the North Atlantic world that threatens not only your way of life but also your world view that strains to maintain its compartmentalization while accommodating an ever increasing number of contradictions.
I’m not “high” on anything. It’s just that seeing through your hypocrisy and thirst for authoritarianism is extremely easy when looking in from the outside.
i don’t doubt your intent, but you really could use some self-reflection.
Please, tell me what my positions is.
Protip: Russia is a capitalist cesspit and so is Ukraine. Ukraine and Russia both only exist seperately because the USSR was dissolved, Ukraine’s control by either RF or the USA was unfortunately inevitable. I will smile if Putin is assassinated.
Pro tip:
irrelevant. and no excuse for an illegal Russian invasion of another sovereign nation
irrelevant. and no excuse for an illegal Russian invasion of another sovereign nation
irrelevant. and no excuse for an illegal Russian invasion of another sovereign nation
you and me both, brother/sister
An illegal invasion is when Russia liberates Ukraine after NATO used it as a fleshlight to bomb Russia for a decade and expected Russia to turn the other cheek.
You sure as shit would be pissed if China started setting up hundreds of millions of dollars of military equipment in Mexico and started shelling Texas for 8 goddamn years, banning the English language and committing ethnic cleansing of people with American and European heritage in Mexico, killing thousands as the world turned a blind eye and blamed the U.S.
You redefine objective reality to meet your perceptions. Psychologists ould call this “delusional psychosis”.
I don’t fall under a gender binary. It’s quicker to type “comrade”, or “friend”.
“Illegal” makes no sense in international politics like this. The dissolution of the USSR was “illegal” (majority voted against it). The founding of almost every republic on Earth was “illegal”. Almost every action taken by the CIA is “illegal”. Furthermore, legality is a horrible basis for a system of ethics or morality irregardless.
Those points were relevant to my position. No outcome is “excusable”, there was no good ending for Ukraine after the fall of the USSR, and it’s pointless to impose some idealistic mindset of what is right and wrong and justified and excused when all states (governments) involved deserve to be overthrown. Being controlled by USA/NATO or by Russia are both bad for the Ukrainian people, and any actual sovereignty would be crushed. Ukraine’s coup was only allowed to survive because of NATO strategic interest, they are unfortunately in a position where they are forced to be subservient to their nationalistic neighbour or the world major superpower.
The situation is terrible. Both sides suck, and my only allegiance is to the citizens of each country caught up in this bullshit.
your personal identity has zero to do with a discussion about Russia and Ukraine. while I respect your identity, it has no bearing in this discussion, so using it as a debate point is both puerile and desperate. Your personal identity (nor anything about you) has any bearing on a discussion about the geopolitics between Russia and Ukraine.
But, if you prefer to be addressed as “comrade”, I’m happy to comply. Comrade.
irrelevant
if that were the circumstance, maybe, but you’re lying in proposing that’s what’s happening now-- it’s NOT. a sovereign nation has been invaded illegally by another. By lying about the circumstances here, you confess that you have no better reasoning or defense, therefore you LOSE the argument and any defensible position. You are wrong. International borders and their respect of them is NOT something I imposed, it’s something THE WORLD agreed upon. You can’t just move the goalposts when it becomes convenient for you and expect everyone else to find that acceptable or reasonable.
Ukraine meets neither of those criteria nor definitions.
much to Russia’s (and your) chagrin, that’s not how sovereignty works. It’s not, nor has it ever been, a “bigger dick” issue-- and even if it were, Russia still hasn’t proven their “bigger dick” anyway. They keep losing!
You obviously have a NATO grudge, and you blame Ukraine, which isn’t in NATO, it makes no sense. Such irrationality only deserves mockery and derision, not a concerted response. You’re a joke for even proposing it.
you need to get your shit - and arguments - in order. you seem very confused.
If you want to bring relevance into this, a war in Eastern Europe has extremely little relevance to me, my family, my community, my co-workers and even my country, beyond the fortunate side effect of it weakening the major world superpower. This entire conversation is irrelevant.
I’m not replying to you to “win the argument”, that’s an unhealthy mindset to have when discussing serious issues. Especially when you just made blind assertions about others being contrarian. If you want to spew a bunch of fallacies and declare some kind of victory, twitter will happily accommodate the spectacle. If you actually care about Ukrainian peoples, projecting arguments onto other people and declaring some strange victory provides no solidarity or support for them. It doesn’t help us understand what is happening, and why it will happen in other countries next decade unless we help stop it.
Most of the viewpoints you just projected onto me are completely baseless. I’ve made it clear I want the dissolution of Russia. I also want the dissolution of NATO. No contradiction! I don’t know why you keep insisting I like Russia. I want it gone more than you do. If I have any grudge, it’s against the Russian Federation for willingly plunging their own people into poverty and terror.
My critique of NATO is not a grudge, it’s a recognition that they actively antagonize the sovereignty of almost the entirety of South America, Africa and the Middle East, along with much of Asia, and more. Anti-democracy, invasion and bombing. The same bullshit Russia has done to Ukraine. The sad truth is that NATO are not “good”. Russia aren’t either. There is no good side in this war. Neither side really give a fuck about Ukrainians, hell they barely care about their own citizens.
edit: apologies for typos-- i have a shitty BT keyboard that’s acting up, and it’s 2am, so I can’ really fix it right now
you try to reframe bad acts by bad actors in a wat that are excusable, but you fail by any rational definition. and no whining or false clams of victimhood will save you.
Russia’s illegal invasion is just that-- illegal. there’s no argument there, just desperate pleadings y sycophants.
your grudges with NATO are just that petty removedery in an attempt to transfer unrelated grievances of the past to a current and unrelated conflict in an attempt t justify the imperialistic whims that you so vociferously decry when it’s not the side you cheer. Hypocrites.
You accuse me of projection when you can’t even see reality and accuse me of wrongdoing when I relay facts and truth. Typical fascist and authoritarian propaganda techniques-- I guess you really do love the soviets, not communism. or so you admit that communism is inherently authoritarian and oppressive of free thought and speech? more hypocrisy.
everything you have said and continue to say is more proof and a better argument that any other person could make. you’re in serious denial or just think your audience is very stupid. neither of which is true.
I explicitly said those acts aren’t excusable.
Legality is a nonsense concept in this context.
I explained that I didn’t have a grudge against NATO.
Every single paragraph you just wrote is projecting a view I don’t hold onto me then crying about how you disagree with it.
My audience has demonstrated that it is very stupid.
yet you used them as an excuse
only if you’re a criminal seeking legitimacy for your crimes.
“Blah blah blah, I can’t hear you! blah blah blah!”
My gang of nazis thinks my Naziism is awesome
well done. all that you did is prove I’m right, and that you’re terrible. I’m sure you’ll re-imagine that as a win, for the sake of your ego… because you’re too weak to admit when you’re wrong. like a strong man would.
edit: strong people do not fear defeat, for it provides them an opportunity to overcome their own weaknesses. weak people, like you, fear the inevitability of simply admitting that they were wrong, for they know they have no future.
(edited to be gender-neutral)