Read the comments in the chains that are beneath it. https://old.reddit.com/comments/13ylk42/comment/jmnp04a
My participation will be low here for the time being, but this is something that affects all. Brace yourselves.
Additional information that borderline fascistic instances like sopuli.xyz already exist (Finland NATO supporter), and lemmy.one (PrivacyGuides admin) is run by a US/Canada nationalist that defederated Lemmygrad day 1 and calls people here liberals.
your personal identity has zero to do with a discussion about Russia and Ukraine. while I respect your identity, it has no bearing in this discussion, so using it as a debate point is both puerile and desperate. Your personal identity (nor anything about you) has any bearing on a discussion about the geopolitics between Russia and Ukraine.
But, if you prefer to be addressed as “comrade”, I’m happy to comply. Comrade.
irrelevant
if that were the circumstance, maybe, but you’re lying in proposing that’s what’s happening now-- it’s NOT. a sovereign nation has been invaded illegally by another. By lying about the circumstances here, you confess that you have no better reasoning or defense, therefore you LOSE the argument and any defensible position. You are wrong. International borders and their respect of them is NOT something I imposed, it’s something THE WORLD agreed upon. You can’t just move the goalposts when it becomes convenient for you and expect everyone else to find that acceptable or reasonable.
Ukraine meets neither of those criteria nor definitions.
much to Russia’s (and your) chagrin, that’s not how sovereignty works. It’s not, nor has it ever been, a “bigger dick” issue-- and even if it were, Russia still hasn’t proven their “bigger dick” anyway. They keep losing!
You obviously have a NATO grudge, and you blame Ukraine, which isn’t in NATO, it makes no sense. Such irrationality only deserves mockery and derision, not a concerted response. You’re a joke for even proposing it.
you need to get your shit - and arguments - in order. you seem very confused.
If you want to bring relevance into this, a war in Eastern Europe has extremely little relevance to me, my family, my community, my co-workers and even my country, beyond the fortunate side effect of it weakening the major world superpower. This entire conversation is irrelevant.
I’m not replying to you to “win the argument”, that’s an unhealthy mindset to have when discussing serious issues. Especially when you just made blind assertions about others being contrarian. If you want to spew a bunch of fallacies and declare some kind of victory, twitter will happily accommodate the spectacle. If you actually care about Ukrainian peoples, projecting arguments onto other people and declaring some strange victory provides no solidarity or support for them. It doesn’t help us understand what is happening, and why it will happen in other countries next decade unless we help stop it.
Most of the viewpoints you just projected onto me are completely baseless. I’ve made it clear I want the dissolution of Russia. I also want the dissolution of NATO. No contradiction! I don’t know why you keep insisting I like Russia. I want it gone more than you do. If I have any grudge, it’s against the Russian Federation for willingly plunging their own people into poverty and terror.
My critique of NATO is not a grudge, it’s a recognition that they actively antagonize the sovereignty of almost the entirety of South America, Africa and the Middle East, along with much of Asia, and more. Anti-democracy, invasion and bombing. The same bullshit Russia has done to Ukraine. The sad truth is that NATO are not “good”. Russia aren’t either. There is no good side in this war. Neither side really give a fuck about Ukrainians, hell they barely care about their own citizens.
edit: apologies for typos-- i have a shitty BT keyboard that’s acting up, and it’s 2am, so I can’ really fix it right now
you try to reframe bad acts by bad actors in a wat that are excusable, but you fail by any rational definition. and no whining or false clams of victimhood will save you.
Russia’s illegal invasion is just that-- illegal. there’s no argument there, just desperate pleadings y sycophants.
your grudges with NATO are just that petty removedery in an attempt to transfer unrelated grievances of the past to a current and unrelated conflict in an attempt t justify the imperialistic whims that you so vociferously decry when it’s not the side you cheer. Hypocrites.
You accuse me of projection when you can’t even see reality and accuse me of wrongdoing when I relay facts and truth. Typical fascist and authoritarian propaganda techniques-- I guess you really do love the soviets, not communism. or so you admit that communism is inherently authoritarian and oppressive of free thought and speech? more hypocrisy.
everything you have said and continue to say is more proof and a better argument that any other person could make. you’re in serious denial or just think your audience is very stupid. neither of which is true.
I explicitly said those acts aren’t excusable.
Legality is a nonsense concept in this context.
I explained that I didn’t have a grudge against NATO.
Every single paragraph you just wrote is projecting a view I don’t hold onto me then crying about how you disagree with it.
My audience has demonstrated that it is very stupid.
yet you used them as an excuse
only if you’re a criminal seeking legitimacy for your crimes.
“Blah blah blah, I can’t hear you! blah blah blah!”
My gang of nazis thinks my Naziism is awesome
well done. all that you did is prove I’m right, and that you’re terrible. I’m sure you’ll re-imagine that as a win, for the sake of your ego… because you’re too weak to admit when you’re wrong. like a strong man would.
edit: strong people do not fear defeat, for it provides them an opportunity to overcome their own weaknesses. weak people, like you, fear the inevitability of simply admitting that they were wrong, for they know they have no future.
(edited to be gender-neutral)