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Vote Blue? No! Matter who.
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Blue MAGA in full swing. You people are ghouls.
biden already dropped ukraine lol.
like its any different from what republicans would do, they just pay lip service to you instead of conservatives.
Biden “dropped Ukraine” because a republican controlled house won’t let him do anything. If he had a functional government things would be different
Don’t feed the troll
i’m pointing out the obvious fact nothing gets fundamentally fixed ever no matter who you vote for.
you may not like hearing it but your system is broken. the far right will keep winning until you fix it.
“both sides bad” is a republican talking point designed to spread apathy among progressives
dunno about republicans but “both sides are bad” is a truthful statement when you factor in how, in practice, democrats do either nothing or enact right wing policies.
electoral systems are broken all over the world, but the 2 party system where you chose between 2 right wing parties is even worse.
its always like this, isnt it? almost like the system is designed not to let the people win. and conservatives mysteriously always get their way somehow.
biden had a blue wave going for him on election and he did absolutely nothing with it.
I’m sure the world will be better off when trump takes over…
Democracy is when a leader is allowed to facilitate genocide and then threaten his voterbase by saying his opponent is worse and will do the same thing.
Harm reduction candidate is the Blue MAGA.
But… It’s demonstrably true that red MAGA will be worse soo… Got an actual alternative before November? No? Ok.
Neither candidate will fundamentally change anything. The US has always been an unsustainable broken oligarchy based on robbing others.
This is just the consequences of such a system, a slow painful decline.
Not arguing against that, just pointing out that like it or not, for now that’s the one choice that we have, so concede loss today to fight tomorrow versus surrendering in which tomorrow will never come
so concede loss today to fight tomorrow
You said the same thing in 2020, you’ll be saying the same thing in 2028
tomorrow will never come
You said the same thing in 2016, and if Trump wins this election, you’ll say the same thing in 2028.
I think i’ll fight at the ballot box by not supporting the parties that benefit from the status quo.
Neither candidate will fundamentally change anything.
Unless you have a particular arrangement of reproductive organs. Or if you love someone who does.
Or if you have particular melanin expressing genes.
Or if you don’t subscribe to a certain deity.
Or if you think your fellow workers should organize to oppose certain practices of your employer.
Or if you have certain medical concerns.
Or if you have certain precarious housing arrangements.
Unless you have a particular arrangement of reproductive organs. Or if you love someone who does.
Biden never passed a federal abortion law and let Roe V Wade get overturned with little to no worthwhile response.
Or if you have particular melanin expressing genes
The Biden admin consistently refuses to tackle problems with a focus on racial justice. Private prisons, migrant camps, oil pipelines on indigenous land all have flourished under Biden.
Or if you don’t subscribe to a certain deity
Butcher Biden is supporting a genocide on Palestinians for the crime of not being the right type of Jewish. Genocide Joe also does nothing to squash the extremist evangelicial movement, many of whom are in congress or state positions.
Or if you think your fellow workers should organize to oppose certain practices of your employer.
US labor laws have always been heavily biased against the workers. Again it was Biden admin who broke the strike of railworkers recently and milquetoast concessions. It was only the hard work of independent unions that workers managed to get concessions.
Or if you have certain medical concerns.
Socialism was made an evil ideology by congress. There is no universal public healthcare program nor price regulation of pharamseuticals. Narcotraficking remains a constant threat to people’s lives.
Or if you have certain precarious housing arrangements.
Biden has done virtually nothing for unhoused people and has instead pushed for bigger police budgets which are a greater threat to exacerbating homelessness than ending it.
Nice little poem which proves my point completely.
Unlike in functioning and prosperous nations like China with their superior socialist economic model and marxist foundations, the USA will continue to decline and terrorize its citizens as well as other nations abroad.
There was no democracy at any point in US history.
no it isnt. same policies, one side is just more polite about it.
yall still dont have healthcare, cmon
Jerrod Kushner had a “peace plan” to kick the Palestinians out of what little they had left in the West Bank and move them to the middle of a barren desert. They dressed it up with “high tech industrial” and other buzz words to make it not look like a naked land grab. Obviously it didn’t get agreed to, but these are the type of people who were empowered under the Trump administration. They would get power again and they are better organized this time to carry out their agenda.
How is that any worse than the Democrats plan to just help Isreal wipe them out entirely?
Okay, let’s rewind to the start of this recent spat of violence, 2023-10-07, when Hamas attacked Israeli citizens surrounding the Gaza Strip. Israel pretty quickly started a bombing campaign that has effectively destroyed northern Gaza. What it hasn’t achieved is its stated goal, eliminating Hamas, nor is it close. My guess is that the Biden administration is putting significant pressure on the Israeli government behind the scenes to scale down their invasion, let aid in, and end illegal settlement expansion. They might be using the weapons as a carrot.
Now think of what the Republicans would be doing in the same situation. Push back? No, they would be cheering from the sidelines like they are now. Illegal settlements? They never much worried about them before.
My guess is that the Biden administration is putting significant pressure on the Israeli government behind the scenes to scale down their invasion, let aid in, and end illegal settlement expansion. They might be using the weapons as a carrot.
This wild speculation, based on nothing.
Now think of what the Republicans would be doing in the same situation. Push back? No, they would be cheering from the sidelines like they are now. Illegal settlements? They never much worried about them before.
You are comparing fanfiction to different fanfiction here; none of this has any bearing to the facts on the ground.
I have two alternatives. Cornel West and Jill Stein. I can’t believe I can actually vote for Cornel fucking West this year. At least, if he gets on enough state ballots.
Voting third party is splitting the vote. Give me ranked choice voting and I’ll never make a Neo-lib one of my top choices. But, until then, it’s functionally a binary choice. And right-wingers toe the line, and their line is literal fascism. Easy choice. Shitty, but easy.
Give me ranked choice voting and I’ll never make a Neo-lib one of my top choices
Then why he fuck would they ever give you ranked choice?
That’s entirely beside the point. You think the fascists are more likely to give you ranked choice than the neo-libs? This line of thinking is nonsensical past superficial idealism. What’s your alternative, the greater evil? You think that’s going to magically make the ever-so-sightly-further-left corporate party turn progressive?
How’d that work after 2016? If the wake-up-call strategy was going to work, that would’ve been the time. And oh look, we got a geriatric neo-liberal. Fun.
I’m not going to wager a potential fascist dictatorship against the pipe dream that choosing not to vote is a cheat code that what, unlocks the secret actual Leftist candidate? What’s the praxis here? This is like sovcit levels of batshit copium fantasy.
Edit: Downvotes, but no practical alternatives. Idealistic circle jerking.
The least you can do is not vote for the status quo, but you won’t even do that.
You think the fascists are more likely to give you ranked choice than the neo-libs?
Do you really think that eh neo-libs are more likely than the fascists? Talk about “nonsensical past superficial idealism.”
What’s your alternative, the greater evil? You think that’s going to magically make the ever-so-sightly-further-left corporate party turn progressive?
Better than your idea. Also, I don’t care about ‘decorum’ and ‘civility’, so there’s not much difference between the two parties in terms of evil; the harm hasn’t exactly been reduced under Biden.
I’m not going to wager a potential fascist dictatorship
You really think submissively voting for the blue fascist every election is going to stave off dictatorship?
What’s the praxis here?
What’s yours?
Anybody who votes for genocide Joe deserves Trump anyway.
Voting third party is splitting the vote.
No, their platforms are vastly different. You could argue that Jill Stein and Cornel West are splitting each other’s votes, because they are very similar, but they are both worlds apart from Genocide Joe and Orange Hitler.
The mathematics of First Past the Post elections drastically disincentivizes third parties, to the point of irrelevance. The winner will be one of the top two choices, so the only rational strategy (primarily in swing states, because of the fuckery that is the Electoral College) is voting against the worse of those two option.
Which is to say: when looking at third party options, would those voters be more likely to vote for the worst of the two main options, or the second worst of the two main options? Those are the only two candidates from which splitting votes is pragmatically relevant.
The evidence suggests to me that Orange Hitler is worse than Genocide Joe, since Orange Hitler would likely enable at least the same amount, if not more, Palestinian genocide; while also actively engaging in Ukrainian genocide; while also enabling Project 2025, which fundamentally threatens the thin veneer of democracy the US does have. I am not an accelerationist, I do not think that the probability of revolution it offers is high enough to counteract the probability of descending into fascism.
If you live in a deep red/blue state, then sure, vote third party so they get more visibility and funding, and encourage others in your state to do the same. But otherwise, vote for the second worst of the two main options, and don’t encourage those in swing states to vote third party.
It’s demonstrably true
Is it? How are you demonstrating that?
The alternative to harm reduction is… harm increase? Democrats being terrible and Republicans being substantially worse are not mutually exclusive facts. The election is FPTP, lesser evil is always the only rational choice.
Absolutely do everything in your power to facilitate tasteful alternatives between elections, but on election day anything other than voting for the lesser evil is tacit approval of the greater evil. Yeah, it’s a shitty hostage situation, but the alternative is “Fuck the hostages”.
The faster USA collapses, the quicker the possibilities of people overthrowing their 2 party clown dictatorship, and revamping the country from the ground up. Trump will help revitalise USA faster than Biden. Blue MAGA Democrats will ensure USA is stuck in a rut for as long as they can hold power.
Yeah or it just keeps getting worse faster.
Shortsighted, idealistic, accelerationist nonsense. You fell for KGB propaganda. How many members of the working class need to suffer and die to bring about that collapse? Accelerationists never think about the cost, or assume they won’t be one of the ones to suffer.
You fell for KGB propaganda.
You liberals are now indistinguishable from the looniest right wing fascist conspiracy theorist. There is zero distance between you and the guy blaming everything on the “Judaeo-Bulshervik conspiracy”.
Then stop proving me right.
Not a liberal. Anarcho-Communist. But I’m also not an idiot. Praxis praxis praxis. You have none, only idealism.
What’s the praxis here? I think the word you’re looking for here is “pragmatism”; those aren’t the same things.
I am aware. Praxis is the synthesis of theory and action, as distinct from pure idealism divorced from any actual action. Pragmatism is a guiding principle in choosing what actions to take, prioritizing behavior that has tangible results over fruitless ones.
I can see why you would think I’m conflating the two since I am advocating praxis specifically founded on pragmatism. However, I’m also generally advocating any form of praxis, pragmatic or not, over just empty both-sides complaining.
But I’m also not an idiot.
removed, you think the USSR still exists, you’re dumb as a bag of hammers.
KGB propaganda
Babe wake up its 2024 not 1920
Also automatically you invalidated anything you said by preaching CIA apologia as an anarchist.
Right because 1. ex-KGB Putin totally isn’t keeping the dream alive and well 2. acknowledging the very real and proven influence of Russian state-sponsored troll farms has anything to do with the CIA 3. that’s definitely how logic works. You don’t have to be a US propaganda shill to recognize a Russian propaganda shill. Cosplay Leftists decomposing everything into a fictitious ideological dichotomy is exactly what the capitalist oligarchs want.
You have to be a US propaganda shill to believe China/Russia/communism are evil things, which you are. The parroting script is too common a pattern. Do not cosplay as a rational person.
I don’t think communism is evil, I am a Communist. China is not Russia is not Communist. They couldn’t possibly be Communist, since communism is by definition moneyless and stateless, and both China and Russia are states that have money. China and Russia are both capitalist countries with varying degrees of state involvement and oligarchy. Suggesting that either country is Communist is a bad script.
communism is by definition moneyless and stateless, and both China and Russia are states that have money. China and Russia are both capitalist countries
You have demonstrated your level of understanding of communism. Have a nice day. CIA needs to pay you more.
