Trump. You are supporting Trump. Trump will ban Muslims again and not just the foreign ones.
Biden is not the one murdering Palestinians.
Bebe is.
Bebe and Trump are buddies. Bebe spoke directly to Congress to humiliate Obama to help Trump get elected. He chose sides and interfered in the US election. Because Bebe is a racist genocidal murderer.
Sometimes Presidents have to do difficult diplomacy. And it sucks.
But Trump is coming for all Muslims. Seriously. We cannot have Trump again.
An American election is a zero sum game. You are forced to pick the least crappy option.
The election is important BUT the president isn’t and shouldn’t be above criticism. He is not doing the killing but he’s keeping the killers well stocked with weapons and ammunition, doing PR for them and undermining any attempt to stop the killing.
If this isn’t something he should be criticised for I don’t know what is
People too stupid to understand how politics work would rather just insult everyone who doesn’t hold the exact same narrow ignorant view that allows them to virtue signal.
And were Biden stupid enough to cut aid to Israel he’d lose two to three times as many potential Votes as there are to gain from cutting off aid. But you don’t care about that as purity is the only concern and consequences are for others to pay.
It’s not about purity you donut. It’s about the fact that we’re witnessing a fucking genocide with our own eyes and instead of being outraged by it and calling for an immediate stop, you’re weighing political election outcomes.
Yes exactly. Seriously I get the need for tactical voting, but this is embarrassing. Anybody criticises the president of the United States for supporting a fucking genocide and we get a lecture about Trump and how we’re going to spoil the election. Believe it or not some things are more important and Biden is failing in his duty as a president and a human being.
Should you still vote for him? Yes, obviously.
Does that mean we have to just stay quiet while he supports war crimes and much worse? Why the fuck should we
The polling shows around 50/50 support toward Israel, and the separation is generational. Quite succintly, Biden is in a pickle. Unconditional support toward Israel could also cost him the election. I’d argue this can be used as a wedge issue against the Democratic Party.
Polling shows about 50% of Democratic voters view Israel’s invasion of Gaza as a genocide, and 30% aren’t sure yet, with only 20% viewing it as not a genocide.
Biden’s actions don’t reflect the vast majority of Democratic voters.
But let’s not pretend this coverage doesn’t have an impact on certain voters who throw their hands up and go, “ah hell they’re all the same! I’m not voting!”
Right-wing operatives are already obviously seizing on this wedge-driving opportunity.
Just equals supporting his bid for power. And in turn supporting lil’ dic. pootie and fash baby bibi as they are who gain should you succeed in bringing Biden down.
The US is funding and providing the weapons to kill Palestinians, resources Biden can withhold if he chooses to. Biden may not be pulling the trigger any more than Netanyahu is, but he is responsible for their deaths, and should be held accountable
Congress controls foreign aid. It’s usually bundled such that it’s part of a larger funding bill. There’s very little Biden can do without opening a can of worms.
That is incorrect the foreign military financing program authorizes the president to finance procurement of defense articles and services for foreign countries and international organizations. Israel’s $11 million per day welfare check and the arms they are provided is at the purview of the president. It’s the exact same tactic that Ronald Reagan used in 1982 to stop Israel carpet bombing Lebanon. He threatened to pull back all monetary and weapons aid from the US, the bombing stopped.
Congress only controls foreign aid when it’s initially approved. After it’s approved, it’s at the president’s discretion if that funding gets cut
How did you feel about Palestinians back in September? Oh you never once thought or cared about them before that?
Funny how the news told you what to be mad about, and what to call a conflict.
You should also complain to all the Arab country leaders who look at Palestinians as human refuse and have refused to help them for decades? Or are you satisfied using talking points from Saudi billionaires?
Why do you feel you have to switch the topic to: A) accusing me personally not to care about Palestinians before Oct, B) Arab should do more.
These two points have different discussion not related to Biden direct aid of Israel for no reason and voting choices.
By the way your points A is stubid and point B is useless since clearly you have no understanding of Arab x Israel history and UK, US support for Israel.
The thing with Muslims and Arabs is that they hate each other just as much as they hate Israel. Some of the worst things I’ve heard said about Palestinians was from Egyptians and other Arabs, they look at them like they’re human garbage. But they’re loving this, because they can now openly attack Israel, which is something they love to unify to do.
Why weren’t all these Arab nations helping Palestinians before? Even now they won’t take Palestinian refugees.
This is all grandstanding, they don’t actually care about or even like Palestine
you are probably looking at it like this conflict started just last year.
its been going since the 40s on and off. ever since the nakba, last i checked, estimates range from a little less than a million to a couple million. theres a reason for palestine’s young demographic today.
Haha. Not sure why you’re being downvoted, he’s not even running a campaign. But somehow in the end this will be the progressives fault. Suck a dick dems.
Eisenhower led multiple armies totaling in the millions in the largest war in human history. Cornel West has a background in *checks notes philosophizing.
Abraham Lincoln served as member of the Illinois House of Representatives from 1 December 1834 until 4 December 1842, representing Sangamon County. He went on to serve in to United States House of Representatives for Illinois’ seventh district from 4 March 1847 to 3 March 1849. His time in between was spent practicing law. I know you’re just trying to be disingenuous, but please stop.
Trump. You are supporting Trump. Trump will ban Muslims again and not just the foreign ones.
Biden is not the one murdering Palestinians.
Bebe is.
Bebe and Trump are buddies. Bebe spoke directly to Congress to humiliate Obama to help Trump get elected. He chose sides and interfered in the US election. Because Bebe is a racist genocidal murderer.
Sometimes Presidents have to do difficult diplomacy. And it sucks.
But Trump is coming for all Muslims. Seriously. We cannot have Trump again.
An American election is a zero sum game. You are forced to pick the least crappy option.
The election is important BUT the president isn’t and shouldn’t be above criticism. He is not doing the killing but he’s keeping the killers well stocked with weapons and ammunition, doing PR for them and undermining any attempt to stop the killing.
If this isn’t something he should be criticised for I don’t know what is
People who support genocide for its own sake will come up with any excuse to keep their indefensible positions from scrutiny.
People too stupid to understand how politics work would rather just insult everyone who doesn’t hold the exact same narrow ignorant view that allows them to virtue signal.
You certainly are.
And were Biden stupid enough to cut aid to Israel he’d lose two to three times as many potential Votes as there are to gain from cutting off aid. But you don’t care about that as purity is the only concern and consequences are for others to pay.
It’s not about purity you donut. It’s about the fact that we’re witnessing a fucking genocide with our own eyes and instead of being outraged by it and calling for an immediate stop, you’re weighing political election outcomes.
Yes exactly. Seriously I get the need for tactical voting, but this is embarrassing. Anybody criticises the president of the United States for supporting a fucking genocide and we get a lecture about Trump and how we’re going to spoil the election. Believe it or not some things are more important and Biden is failing in his duty as a president and a human being.
Should you still vote for him? Yes, obviously.
Does that mean we have to just stay quiet while he supports war crimes and much worse? Why the fuck should we
Because the consequences are more important than a feel good pyrrhic moral victory.
Only if you’re American.
No, the consequences shall be felt around the world. Just as they were the last time idiots decided teaching a lesson was more important.
Biden is a politician. What else should we expect? He’s not a great leader, or a moral paragon, or a persuasive debater. He’s a politician.
So continue the slaughter so he doesn’t lose? I thought liberals claimed they were gonna hold their people accountable
In no way was that posted, but I do understand you wish it were.
Thats exactly what you said. "Who cares that 30k+ Palestinians are dead as long as Biden doesnt lose’
There is no need for you to be accurate as your goal is to sow discord.
Nope, you’re the only one saying that. Claiming the moral high ground doesn’t give you the right to make shit up.
The polling shows around 50/50 support toward Israel, and the separation is generational. Quite succintly, Biden is in a pickle. Unconditional support toward Israel could also cost him the election. I’d argue this can be used as a wedge issue against the Democratic Party.
Polling shows about 50% of Democratic voters view Israel’s invasion of Gaza as a genocide, and 30% aren’t sure yet, with only 20% viewing it as not a genocide.
Biden’s actions don’t reflect the vast majority of Democratic voters.
Not meeting with Biden =/= Voting for Trump
But let’s not pretend this coverage doesn’t have an impact on certain voters who throw their hands up and go, “ah hell they’re all the same! I’m not voting!”
Right-wing operatives are already obviously seizing on this wedge-driving opportunity.
They whine about being called shrubs while they amplify the message Russia bots are also posting.
Just equals supporting his bid for power. And in turn supporting lil’ dic. pootie and fash baby bibi as they are who gain should you succeed in bringing Biden down.
As far as centrists are concerned, anything other than worship of everything Biden does is a vote for Trump.
The US is funding and providing the weapons to kill Palestinians, resources Biden can withhold if he chooses to. Biden may not be pulling the trigger any more than Netanyahu is, but he is responsible for their deaths, and should be held accountable
Congress controls foreign aid. It’s usually bundled such that it’s part of a larger funding bill. There’s very little Biden can do without opening a can of worms.
That is incorrect the foreign military financing program authorizes the president to finance procurement of defense articles and services for foreign countries and international organizations. Israel’s $11 million per day welfare check and the arms they are provided is at the purview of the president. It’s the exact same tactic that Ronald Reagan used in 1982 to stop Israel carpet bombing Lebanon. He threatened to pull back all monetary and weapons aid from the US, the bombing stopped.
Congress only controls foreign aid when it’s initially approved. After it’s approved, it’s at the president’s discretion if that funding gets cut
Religious people? Being blatantly stupid? You don’t fucking say!
Here an alternative point of view:
As democrat who cares about the country you should help force your leadership to stop the genocide or stop aid and sale of arms if you want my vote.
How did you feel about Palestinians back in September? Oh you never once thought or cared about them before that?
Funny how the news told you what to be mad about, and what to call a conflict.
You should also complain to all the Arab country leaders who look at Palestinians as human refuse and have refused to help them for decades? Or are you satisfied using talking points from Saudi billionaires?
Oct. 7 explicitly was enacted to, in part, stop the normalization of relations between Saudi Arabi and Israel.
The only person showing how unbelievably ignorant and racist they are here is you.
The billionaires of Saudi Arabia want normalized relations. The people of Saudi Arabia don’t.
Why do you feel you have to switch the topic to: A) accusing me personally not to care about Palestinians before Oct, B) Arab should do more.
These two points have different discussion not related to Biden direct aid of Israel for no reason and voting choices.
By the way your points A is stubid and point B is useless since clearly you have no understanding of Arab x Israel history and UK, US support for Israel.
The thing with Muslims and Arabs is that they hate each other just as much as they hate Israel. Some of the worst things I’ve heard said about Palestinians was from Egyptians and other Arabs, they look at them like they’re human garbage. But they’re loving this, because they can now openly attack Israel, which is something they love to unify to do.
Why weren’t all these Arab nations helping Palestinians before? Even now they won’t take Palestinian refugees.
This is all grandstanding, they don’t actually care about or even like Palestine
So facilitating the murder of millions of muslims is ok, but not letting them enter your country is worse?
give the numbers then.
how many palestinians died, vs how many israelis over the almost century this genocide has been raging on.
thought so.
Well the most recent conflict (which is the context of this post, wrt Biden being involved?) is currently @26k+ Gazans killed
Where did you get the “millions”?
the thread is about who facilitates what.
again, look up the amount dead in this conflict since its inception.
If you’d bother to look up the numbers you’d understand the question where you got the ‘millions’ bit
Where did you get that from?
you are probably looking at it like this conflict started just last year.
its been going since the 40s on and off. ever since the nakba, last i checked, estimates range from a little less than a million to a couple million. theres a reason for palestine’s young demographic today.
Can you tell me where you got these estimates?
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Haha. Not sure why you’re being downvoted, he’s not even running a campaign. But somehow in the end this will be the progressives fault. Suck a dick dems.
the least crappy option is cornel west
No. Cornel West has no experience in public office and the Presidency isn’t the place to learn on the job.
Apparently neither is being VP.
how much experience did Eisenhower have in public office?
your standard is arbitrary and irrational.
Who says I would have supported Eisenhower for office?
I would have voted for Adlai Stevenson in that election.
Eisenhower led multiple armies totaling in the millions in the largest war in human history. Cornel West has a background in *checks notes philosophizing.
Lincoln never held public office. lots of presidents make it their first political job.
edit: whoops. still, my point stands: there is no reason to expect anyone to have experience being president in order to elect them.
Abraham Lincoln served as member of the Illinois House of Representatives from 1 December 1834 until 4 December 1842, representing Sangamon County. He went on to serve in to United States House of Representatives for Illinois’ seventh district from 4 March 1847 to 3 March 1849. His time in between was spent practicing law. I know you’re just trying to be disingenuous, but please stop.
your accusation of disingenuousness is, itself, bad faith