Kevin Monahan, 65, shot 20-year-old Kaylin Gillis after a car she was riding in with friends made a wrong turn on his property
A man was convicted of second-degree murder Tuesday for fatally shooting a young woman when the SUV she was riding in mistakenly drove up his rural driveway in upstate New York.
A jury found Kevin Monahan, 66, guilty of second-degree murder for shooting 20-year-old Kaylin Gillis on a Saturday night last April after she and her friends pulled into his long, curving driveway near the Vermont border while they were trying to find another house.
The group’s caravan of two cars and a motorcycle began leaving once they realized their mistake. Authorities said Monahan came out to his porch and fired twice from his shotgun, with the second shot hitting Gillis in the neck as she sat in the front passenger seat of an SUV driven by her boyfriend.
Good. What kind of a fucking psychopath sees a car of lost young people and decides, instead of offering directions or at worst leaving them the fuck alone, that they deserve assault with a deadly weapon?
Goddamn deranged.
A Trump voter.
Well that’s one less that can’t vote for him.
Which itself is kinda fucked up but that’s a separate issue.
Still don’t get how that doesn’t fall under taxation without representation
“No taxation without representation” is just a catchy slogan, not a legal principle. It has the same legal standing as “if the glove don’t fit you must acquit.”
taxation without representation
That’s a Declaration of Independence item, not US Constitution.
It was in reference to Britain passing the Stamp Act (and other things) charging fees on people living in what is today the United States to prop up the treasury of Britain.
What usually gets left out of the story is that the taxes were imposed in part to pay for the French and Indian War, which the colonists started. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
The idea being that, felons are morally reprehensible people, and therefore cannot be trusted to vote in a “civic” manner.
The reality is corporations- and the rich people that control them- are by far the more morally bankrupt group.
not that I agree with that, per se. (though I would say it’s true of people like Bill Hwang of Archegos Capital, or Elizebeth Holmes of Theranos… Or the Koch brothers… or Trump. but the average criminal? far from it.)
100%. Disenfranchisement is absolutely encouragement to selectively legislate and enforce. All these rural areas housing federal prisons would positively loose their shit if felons could vote. Because to them that completely defeats the point of the federal prisons.
I’m sure somehow his ballot will be counted.
Trump wasn’t going to win New York anyways.
Years of “fear the other, they’re coming for you” Fox News.
An old, sweet lady was once talking to my wife about the blackout curtains in our bedroom. She says she bought some like it so “antifa couldn’t see inside” her house.
It makes me so angry that Fox News convinced her to be scared of a boogyman.
I’ve tried saying “don’t fall for those conspiracy theories”. Don’t know if it made him rethink but he sure didn’t spout any more.
I thought the end was going to be about how you should replace the blackouts with regular ones (or none at all) because how else would others be able to tell if you behave like a dignified person
Would it make you feel better to know that if it wasn’t that it would be something else?
I have been to that general area. No one choosing to live there is sane.
I think we need to be mindful that we can’t point at one media organization or “political aisle” for this type of rhetoric. @Microw@lemm.ee above encapsulates it beautifully.
Some areas simply have no-good groups of people like neonazis that will go into houses and try to take them over
The fear mongering isn’t subject to particular ideologies and anyone is susceptible. These tactics are being used by nearly(edit) everyone in the political realm.
edit: just gotta say I love the downvotes with no replies. There is a middle-ground nuanced objectivity where neither “both parties are the same” or “my political side is holier than thou” apply. Go touch some grass or learn how to have an actual conversation with those you disagree with online.
The disguised “both sides” BS.
From a tankie no less.
? I stated that “both parties are the same” doesn’t apply, did I need to do the “bOTh PaRtiEs aRe ThE SaME!” for the emotional to be able to read it right?
Nah.
Someone who has been conditioned by decades of fear propaganda, and taught that his guns are the only thing standing between him and the government/immigrants/criminals/whatever the fear of the day is
Oh it’s worse than that, they were already leaving when he came out and shot them.
oh and this bullshit excuse:
He said he tripped over nails sticking up from the deck, lost his balance and the shotgun struck the deck. That, he said, accidentally caused his gun to fire at the Ford Explorer carrying Gillis.
The first shot was an accident. Obviously the second shot was to prove to them that the first one was an accident cuz if he were trying to shoot them, then he’d just shoot them. He probably tried shouting those words, but realized they were too far so he just had to show them what a great shot he was when he was trying by actually shooting one of them.
Totally innocent miscommunication.
The only thing about this I can somewhat understand is that it wasnt one car, it was two cars and a motorcycle. I would probably be a bit scared if such a big group of people suddenly show up to my rural house.
But 1. shooting them, and 2. while they were already driving away, is what makes this so deranged.
WTF is going on in your life that cars coming up your driveway would scare you? Really?!
You think that some death squad has your number and they sent the whole gang?
Some areas simply have no-good groups of people like neonazis that will go into houses and try to take them over
Some areas?
What areas?
The good questions are always buried in the thread.
I would also like to know what areas. I’ve lived in a lot of places, and never once heard of neonazis just up and taking someone’s home, certainly not anywhere like the US. Internet searches turn up nothing. Cite your sources, please.
Source? Or is this like the boogie man?
Especially when they turn around and start leaving.
I would probably be a bit scared if such a big group of people suddenly show up to my rural house.
And won’t go out even with a gun if you’re so scared, right?
Exactly
This is the nature of widespread gun ownership. Owning a gun turns every argument, every perceived wrong, every bruised ego into a potentially deadly situation. Buying a gun, “for protection,” is the dumbest fucking statement I’ve ever heard. Increasing the number of guns laying around ALWAYS creates a more dangerous environment.
How are you going to protect yourself from threats?
Can you fight?
I’m going to start by determining whether or not said “threats” are actually threats to begin with.
Because most of them aren’t. Most gun nuts (disclaimer: I could probably be defined by some standards as a gun nut myself) have this nutty pathological notion that every single person, shadow, and tiny thing that goes bump in the night is personally out to get them. Given the overwhelming majority of non-gun-nut people who do not, in fact, get got on a daily basis despite not even having a gun to defend themselves we can actually conclude that this is just unfounded paranoia.
Just saying.
Yikes, it’s crazy the mental gymnastics you’re willing to go through to avoid admitting you can’t defend yourself.
or even just yelling at kids to get off his driveway
I’m an instacart driver and at least a few times a week I get the wrong driveway but then figure it out very quickly. This shit goes through my mind every single time.
That’s just the country I live in. I pulled into the wrong driveway and I instantly wonder idly if this is going to lead to my fucking death.
Okay, sure, but have you ever even considered uparmoring your car and mounting an automatic weapon to it? It’s like people never even played Car Wars. With some armor and a SAW they could have practiced their rights, and with a .50 they probably could have cut his house in half.
I mean, gas costs will go up with the additional weight and you need additional crew members to serve the weapons, but that’s the price of freedom.
Alternatively, you could try delivering the groceries by trebuchet from the back of a flatbed truck, but the automatic weapon thing is less likely to result in them cancelling the tip.
Bro, I hate to go all American but if i could drive some twisted metal shit I would in a fucking hearbeat. And I probably wouldn’t kill that many people. Most would deserve it. Pinky promise.
Alternatively, you could try delivering the groceries by trebuchet from the back of a flatbed truck
Ok now I know you’re being facetious, because a ballista would do that job so much better.
Steve Jackson games FTW. That mofo even predicted 9/11.
ok but where? I don’t think about this where I used to live in the US, but last summer we were in rural north carolina and I did a three point turn off someones driveway and I was not relaxed
Missouri and Kansas. I live near the boarder and bounce between states all day.
It’s going to be an issue anywhere rural.
The point is that it’s scary to be a delivery driver. It’s more dangerous than being a cop.
I delivered pizzas for 3 different pizzarias and flowers also… I know the statistics show more delivery drivers run into trouble than cops get shot, but I think thats down to numbers- when I was slinging pies there were easily 5 pizza places with 5-6 drivers each on trip after trip all day 7 days a week and I would guess 10 cops on duty mostly sitting on their ass in a cop car busting white high school kids for weed at bullshit traffic stops… anyway yeah I hear you, but I think this is VERY tightly linked with the area you deliver in. my white bread ass area never not once made me feel the sliiiightest bit afraid
This could be a commercial for the cyber truck, the only bulletproof instacart approved delivery vehicle.
If only those kids had had enough of their own guns, this tragedy could have been avoided. Somehow. I guess. That’s how it works, right? More guns?
Since the late 1800s, 494 MILLION firearms have been produced and sold in the US. That’s way more than one per person, including babies and toddlers.
when’s it gonna be enough I wonder?
Maybe it really isn’t about more guns, just more profits for the arms dealers? Maybe we could skip the middle-men and dead children murdered in their schools if we just pay off the arms dealers?
So guy claims he felt threatened, didn’t call cops, grabbed gun instead and expects people aren’t just going to assume he’s being a gun nut when he acts exactly like one?
Felt threatened in the time it took them to turn around. Jesus tapdancing christ on a cracker what a fucking snowflake with a hair trigger.
How does somebody like this make it through the day without meds?!?
By stroking his guns, probably.
He claimed the gun just went off when he tripped and fell. Fortunately the jury didn’t buy his defense.
I could not believe that when I read it.
Pathetic, not even capable of accepting responsibility for his own actions.
I would imagine he will not be apologizing to the family either.
I feel like castle laws would have been a better defense than that shit 😂
His hand doesnt fit the gun, if it dont fit, you must aqquit!
lol wtf
I hope he rots the rest of his life away behind bars.
Such a miserable, worthless excuse for a human being to fucking execute someone for having the wrong directions.
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It’s gotten to the point where firearm related murders in the US is practically natural causes, it happens so often… Whoever thought it would be a good idea to flood the country with guns is an absolute moron.
He’s not a moron. He’s a very rich psychopath.
There are a lot of those involved in US government.
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Exactly. My dog just barks at people turning around in the driveway. They turn around; my dog thinks he won.
Your dog is smarter.
But what if they don’t turn around? Your dog needs a gun.
If they don’t turn around, I’d rather have my dog.
I hope you tell your dog he’s ALWAYS a winner!
Your dog obviously needs a gun.
Look at the picture and read the article. They were already leaving. He shot the back of the vehicle.
This is one of those people who say people aren’t allowed to turn in their driveway. Guy’s nuts.
Per the NBC article, it took them an hour to arrest the guy:
When officers arrived at Monahan’s house to investigate the shooting, he refused to come out, Murphy said. Authorities spoke with him through a 911 dispatcher and in person for about an hour before he was taken into custody, according to the sheriff.
How wild is that
That sounds like good police work. They knew where the person was, went to the area, and used their words to resolve the situation. If only all cops could show this kind of restraint and patience when apprehending a suspect…
He wasn’t an unarmed black person so they couldn’t shoot him.
While police shooting black people is a problem, police not shooting white people is a lot less problematic.
I know what you’re trying to say, but man if it doesn’t sound wrong!
Understandable. This one might actually shoot back.
Dude is obviously white.
America. Yay.
Execute the motherfucker to show these fucks the barrel points both ways. Set an example. Fucking lunatics.
Oh no he won’t be able to vote for tump
Tump 4 pesident!
Wheel of Fotune
Who is radicalizing the elderly? Oh yeah, FOX News and the culture war bullshit
would this be self-defense in Florida?
Depends if the girl was white or not.
Sigh, that’s not even a joke
Might as well laugh while Rome burns.
If he was under some sort of immediate threat maybe
No, he would have to have just believed that his life was in danger (in Florida).
