In city council hearings, protests and online, a growing movement with ties to Holocaust denial is effacing history in real-time
When she first heard about Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack on Israel, Mirela Monte was “appalled.” The South Carolina real estate agent and self-described holistic healer detests violence and is horrified by war and human suffering.
But as Monte read more in Uncensored Truths, a Telegram group with 2,958 subscribers active on foreign policy and the supposed perils of vaccination, her shock turned to anger. According to the forum, the news reports were wrong: Secretly, Israel was behind the massacre.
Monte now argues the Oct. 7 attack was a “false flag” staged by the Israelis — likely with help from the Americans — to justify genocide in Gaza. “Pure evil,” she said. “Israel is like a mad dog off a leash.”
The Oct. 7 Hamas terrorist attack is among the most well-documented in history. A crush of evidence from smartphone cameras and GoPros captured Hamas’s breach of the border — a strike Israel says left about 1,200 dead, the deadliest onslaught in the country’s history.
But Oct. 7 denial is spreading. A small but growing group denies the basic facts of the attacks, pushing a spectrum of falsehoods and misleading narratives that minimize the violence or dispute its origins. Some argue the ambush was staged by the Israeli military to justify an invasion of Gaza. Others say that some 240 hostages Hamas took into Gaza were actually kidnapped by Israel. Some contend the United States is behind the plot.
If they mean Israel did it in the sense than Netanyahu kept funding Hamas and knew about the attack years/months/days earlier and did nothing to stop it, and many killed on October 7th were killed by chaotic IDF troops told to shoot anything that moves, then yes, in a way.
But no… They had to go full conspiracy. Netanyahu didn’t need to stage this, he just had to create the perfect circumstances for it to happen.
It’s highly unlikely Israel made it happen…
But I wouldn’t be surprised if it was a Dick Cheney thing like 9/11 where they knew it was gonna happen, and did a cost/benefit analysis and decided it was better if it happened.
Netanyahu was letting literal suitcases of cash into Gaza so Hamas could continue to exist, it’s not much of a jump for them to ignore intelligence.
If they honestly didn’t see this coming, then they still need to replace their government. Best case scenario they’re incompetent
I mean, Bibi was allowing Qatar to fund Hamas, and even supplied briefcases full of cash to the Qatar diplomat to give to Hamas
My idle conspiracy theory is that Trump and his son-in-law sold a bunch of Israel’s sensitive defense info to MBS, where it somehow made it into the hands of Hamas. Hamas had some rather detailed intel on Israeli positions at the border and I wonder how they got it. Trump probably never intended for the massacre to happen, he just wanted to earn a quick buck.
I have no proof that Trump sold this, but we know how lax he was with this info, particularly concerning Israel. Heck, he might not have even sold it, all it would take is a few well-placed operatives at Mar-a-lago to take photos of the documents Trump had at his dinner table. That would have made it all even more tragic, because it would mean that Trump sold out Israel just to brag to his friends. Would that be better or worse than getting money for it?
My question is how many deaths were actually caused by Hamas when their goal was to capture living hostages. With the knowledge that tanks shelled civilian hostages to kill Hamas fighters it seems plausible that Israel could be responsible for many or most of the deaths.
We’ll never know unless there’s an independent UN investigation into Oct 7th
Hamas did a lot of killing on October 7th. It’s not like it wasn’t filmed…by multiple people including themselves
They certainly killed people, but now we know Israel also killed their own people. I want to see the breakdown.
I would imagine many but not most were killed by the IDF. Then again, they are the ones with tanks and helicopters.
I mean, don’t America fund the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden back in the 80s since they were fighting against the USSR? Only to have it backfire when the turned against us, realizing they were just pawns in our game as we conducted operations elsewhere to fuck around with the balance of power in the world?
Lot of parallels here.
But I do think Hamas did Oct 7th. They even said they did it. However, I still think “yeah, what did Israel think was going to happen?” and “it doesn’t justify genocide” just like 9/11 didn’t justify leveling Afghanistan for 20 years.
That was different…
America funded them to fight America’s enemies in a proxy war.
Netanyahu assisted other countries funding Hamas, when Hamas was trying to fight Israel. Because the threat of Hamas kept far right authoritarians in power in Israel.
They’re completely different situations…
I’m as anti-Israel as all get out and even I think that’s a stupid fucking take.
The weird thing is that the conclusion they have reached is probably not that far off. But how the fuck did they get there?
Pretty much everything IDF says is eventually proven to be a lie. United States does blindly support Israel, to the point where Netanyahu brags about not listening to us while also knowing full well the support will continue.
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You could argue that Netanyahu let it happen (because he ignored warnings of an attack) but you would need substantial evidence before claiming that he orchestrated it.
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Yes, yes. Everything is a false flag.
#AllFlagsAreFake
If there’s a fringe on it, apparently yes.
See ‘flag fringe’: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2010/sovereigns-dictionary-peculiar
There are sovcits among us
That wouldn’t shock me.
How long until we see these loons on the Fediverse, you think?
While I wouldn’t put it past Mossad to finance and encourage it to keep Bibi out of corruption court (because there’s nothing like a good war to distract people from domestic issues), this was all Hamas.
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence
That maxim starts to break down if you have at your disposal one of the most well-equipped and well-funded intelligence agencies in the world.
