• ThenThreeMore@startrek.websiteEnglish
    1082·
    11 months ago

    To become an American police officer.

    Other countries have somewhat higher requirements

    • Norway - 4500 hours

    • Finland - 4500 hours

    • India - 4000 hours

    • Germany - 4000 hours

    • Australia - 3500 hours

    • Spain - 2880 hours

    • United Kingdom - 2250 hours (plus if they want to carry a gun significant additional hours)

    • Canada - 2080 hours

    • New Zealand - 1924 hours

    • starchylemming@lemmy.worldEnglish
      8·
      11 months ago

      thank you i was looking for this.

      the many hours of training do make a difference in quality of work. i feel like german and american policeforce are barely compareable

  • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
    981·
    11 months ago

    i’ve played over 12,000 hours of Fallout 4.

    I’ll take my PhD now, thx

    • Dave@lemmy.nzEnglish
      54·
      11 months ago

      Fallout 4 was released 2,985 days ago.

      12,000/2,985 = an average of 4 hours a day, every day, no days off.

      Probably the best value purchase you’ll make in your life.

      • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
        47·
        11 months ago

        Probably the best value purchase you’ll make in your life.

        that’s why, after around 10k hours, I finally paid for it, lol.

          • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
            15·
            11 months ago

            also, it was on sale. GOTY Edition + all DLCs for, like, $15. why not?

            I got more out of that game than anything else I ever pirated (except, maybe, my copies of TNG, DS9, VOY, and all 20 seasons of Law & Order), so I thought: why not pay for it? it was totally worth it!

              • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
                14·
                11 months ago

                I’m 44. also, I spent most of my life freelancing/working from home, and, through covid and for a long time afterwards, unemployed— so lots of free time.

                also, I haven’t played it in about a year, although a new Mod, Fallout: London just came out, so I may just kiss a few hundred hours goodbye on that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

        • vynaaa@lemmy.worldEnglish
          11·
          11 months ago

          That’s what I did with Far Cry 3, but couldn’t get the stupid launcher to work on linux, so ended up pirating it again.Great work Ubisoft!

        • Dave@lemmy.nzEnglish
          8·
          11 months ago

          Hmm, what did it cost at launch? Probably $60?

          6,000 cents / 12,000 hours = 0.5 cents per hour.

          • gregorum@lemm.eeEnglish
            7·
            11 months ago

            wow, that’s value! especially considering I only paid $15 for it on sale a few years ago! I played a pirated version until recently, then eventually paid for it. it was just such an incredible game, it thought: why not?

            • Dave@lemmy.nzEnglish
              6·
              11 months ago

              0.125 cents per hour! A thousand times better value than a movie!

  • dasgoat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    36·
    11 months ago

    It’s also not just the amount of training they receive, but the content of the training. When you learn in Police academy that 1) everyone is armed and dangerous and 2) everyone is out to kill you, you tend to be more aggressive. And this is drilled into their skulls with the equivalent of a jackhammer. No wonder you get cops that are completely devoid of empathy, reason and humanity, but rather trigger happy assholes who will use violence for every single issue.

    • Maggoty@lemmy.worldEnglish
      3·
      11 months ago

      From what I understand the system is little bit more involved. In the Academy they technically teach you all the rules you need to abide by. But they drill the self and buddy defense imperative into you at every moment. This is so they can point at the training regimen whenever reformers make a stink.

      But that’s not the end of training for police officers. There’s two more crucial steps. First you have to get through probation where it’s really easy to fire you and your training officer basically controls that 100%. So it’s a vibe check. Then they send you to continuing training seminars that propagandize police into a Hollywood Western mindset and teach them to not feel guilt or shame at killing people. Basically lowering the psychological barrier to shooting people.

      Which for the record, isn’t even a step the military takes. It’s not hard to dehumanize someone threatening you. The only reason you’d need a class to do so, is if you’re trying to dehumanize people before hand.

  • Treczoks@lemmy.worldEnglish
    31·
    11 months ago

    Compare that to the federal standard 3-5 years of University-like education with loads of theory and practice parts they need in my country to be a basic police(wo)man. Topics like deescalation techniques, basic communication in several languages, and psychological training are integral parts of the curriculum. And much more important than knowing how to shoot or beat up someone.

    • MeaanBeaan@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      11 months ago

      Their justification for it is such an open and obvious lie too. He might get bored and quit? Because he’s too smart? Makes zero sense. On the list of jobs one might do I don’t think being a cop would rank very high in the boredom rankings.

      • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
        51·
        11 months ago

        Are you judging the profession based on television? The majority of cops sit somewhere for a long ass time waiting for something to happen then when it does its mostly something boring like hauling a drunk driver in, writing a speeding ticket, or responding to a domestic violence call to either play therapist or MAYBE haul the guy off for the night knowing that nothing will happen except a tearful reunion.

        On TV cops fire their guns twice in 30 minutes whereas in reality 68% NEVER fire a firearm in their career. There are almost a million officers in the US you have no doubt seen many in passing. Did it seem like on average they are out doing exciting things?

        • fidodo@lemmy.worldEnglish
          10·
          11 months ago

          The bigger flaw in the logic is that since when do dumb people get bored less easily? If anything they get bored more easily because they’re not observing potentially interesting things in mundane scenarios.

            • Maggoty@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              11 months ago

              No such thing when we’re talking about people making life and death decisions. In the military we were told the deadliest weapon is your brain. Once again Cops want to cosplay but not put the work in.

      • Maggoty@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        11 months ago

        You’d be surprised. Unless you’re in very specific parts it’s a lot like the military. Boredom for 99 percent of the time and 1 percent “action”. Add on to that, the second they find out you’re a “smart guy” you’re going into an office job where you stare at spreadsheets all day.

    • adrian783@lemmy.worldEnglish
      26·
      11 months ago

      this comes up again and again and it’s always only this one case. iq and being a good cop is not even directly related so I wish people would stop bringing this up as some sort of gotcha.

      • michaelmrose@lemmy.worldEnglish
        9·
        11 months ago

        Actually IQ is correlated to problem solving which literally makes you a better everything just not obviously by itself. While this case is an extreme example of scaring off smart people there are lots of less direct ways you can discourage them from joining your ranks. Promoting idiots to positions of power and allowing them to erect dysfunctional systems that people l lower on the totem pole aren’t allowed to change, punishing anyone who snitches on their fellow cops misbehavior, and promoting your idiot cronies are all pretty effect and pervasively practiced.

  • Maggoty@lemmy.worldEnglish
    303·
    11 months ago

    While I agree that police need more training and psychological evaluations… How much of this is because job training schools lobbied for needless licenses and things to be covered under those licenses? Does someone really need 1600 hours of training to cut hair?

    • Everythingispenguins@lemmy.worldEnglish
      91·
      11 months ago

      It differs state to state but being a barber and cutting hair are not the same thing. A barber’s license is one of a few different ones used to get a job cutting hair. The thing that barbers generally do that others don’t is provide a shave. Use of a straight razor along with health and safety is part of the training.

      For context a full time bachelors student is pulling about 600 hours in one 15 week semester.

      • Maggoty@lemmy.worldEnglish
        1·
        11 months ago

        You can absolutely use a safety razor. Best haircut place I ever went to for my military cuts did so. If it’s a scissors and buzzers cut, anything over 40 hours is just exploitation.

  • BigMacHole@lemm.eeEnglish
    181·
    11 months ago

    If you had STUDIED instead you would now legally be able to beat your wife kill minorities and watch kids die because it’s too scawy!

  • Driveway4964@lemmy.worldEnglish
    14·
    11 months ago

    Can I just say that this is the most interesting table layout I’ve seen? The column headers (state names) are the center column?!