• OurToothbrush
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    They’d kick you out and burn down your house or kill you for being an invader?

    That is a complete anachronism, unless you actually were an invader. Have you actually researched this or are you just taking your assumptions and trying to apply them to history?

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      Go read some Greek history on the city states and ostracism, as well as the fact that it only worked because they had slaves and subjugated women?

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        Exile as punishment for a crime and keeping slaves is distinct from having a border with border controls.

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          Ostracism only required a vote, no crime, and no defense was allowed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism

          The penalty for returning was death.

          Presumably even though there were no border controls, they would kill you if you returned.

          Honestly, I’m not sure what the fixation with a guy in a booth is about. Whether you get denied entry and they throw you out, or if they exile or ostracize you, what’s the difference?

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            Literally whether you can control human migration between territories.

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                Denying entry to random people is different than telling someone to leave?

                Imagine the difference between a bar with a bouncer at the door and a bar without, and then apply that principle at a much larger scale.

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                  Honestly, it seems the same. If a bar doesn’t want Jews in it and the bartender asks everyone if they’re Jewish or a bouncer at the door feels like a distinction without a difference.

                  There’s no additional liberty, the people who own the bar set the rules.

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                    But it makes it much harder to control who is in a space, which means in practice there are additional liberties.