• stevehobbes@lemy.lol
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    11 months ago

    Ostracism only required a vote, no crime, and no defense was allowed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism

    The penalty for returning was death.

    Presumably even though there were no border controls, they would kill you if you returned.

    Honestly, I’m not sure what the fixation with a guy in a booth is about. Whether you get denied entry and they throw you out, or if they exile or ostracize you, what’s the difference?

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      11 months ago

      Literally whether you can control human migration between territories.

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        11 months ago

        But if you can throw people out, and kill them when they come back why is it that different?

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          11 months ago

          Denying entry to random people is different than telling someone to leave?

          Imagine the difference between a bar with a bouncer at the door and a bar without, and then apply that principle at a much larger scale.

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            11 months ago

            Honestly, it seems the same. If a bar doesn’t want Jews in it and the bartender asks everyone if they’re Jewish or a bouncer at the door feels like a distinction without a difference.

            There’s no additional liberty, the people who own the bar set the rules.

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              11 months ago

              But it makes it much harder to control who is in a space, which means in practice there are additional liberties.