• stevehobbes@lemy.lol
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    2
    ·
    5 months ago

    But that’s the way borders were understood then too… it was just harder to determine who was who?

    They’d kick you out and burn down your house or kill you for being an invader?

    • OurToothbrush
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      1
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      5 months ago

      They’d kick you out and burn down your house or kill you for being an invader?

      That is a complete anachronism, unless you actually were an invader. Have you actually researched this or are you just taking your assumptions and trying to apply them to history?

      • stevehobbes@lemy.lol
        link
        fedilink
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        edit-2
        5 months ago

        Go read some Greek history on the city states and ostracism, as well as the fact that it only worked because they had slaves and subjugated women?

        • OurToothbrush
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          1
          arrow-down
          1
          ·
          5 months ago

          Exile as punishment for a crime and keeping slaves is distinct from having a border with border controls.

          • stevehobbes@lemy.lol
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            5 months ago

            Ostracism only required a vote, no crime, and no defense was allowed: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism

            The penalty for returning was death.

            Presumably even though there were no border controls, they would kill you if you returned.

            Honestly, I’m not sure what the fixation with a guy in a booth is about. Whether you get denied entry and they throw you out, or if they exile or ostracize you, what’s the difference?

            • OurToothbrush
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              5 months ago

              Literally whether you can control human migration between territories.

              • stevehobbes@lemy.lol
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                ·
                5 months ago

                But if you can throw people out, and kill them when they come back why is it that different?

                • OurToothbrush
                  link
                  fedilink
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  arrow-down
                  1
                  ·
                  edit-2
                  5 months ago

                  Denying entry to random people is different than telling someone to leave?

                  Imagine the difference between a bar with a bouncer at the door and a bar without, and then apply that principle at a much larger scale.

                  • stevehobbes@lemy.lol
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    ·
                    5 months ago

                    Honestly, it seems the same. If a bar doesn’t want Jews in it and the bartender asks everyone if they’re Jewish or a bouncer at the door feels like a distinction without a difference.

                    There’s no additional liberty, the people who own the bar set the rules.