The deprogram’s subreddit is what happens when you consistently bring up ziezek in a positive light. Like why give any credence to that cryptofash?? It’s been like a year, they should know better by now what that guy stands for, especially for how mask-off he’s been going.
It’s because he keeps saying one thing, and then the complete opposite. Being inconsistent and incoherent, while constantly bamboozling your diehard fans with contradictory stances apparently makes you an enlightened centrist leading the “radical left” intelligentsia, fending off baddies with such nuanced takes such as “both sides bad”.
Ask 10 Zizek fans what he represents and you’ll probably get 10 different answers.
Yeah that’s my biggest concern with Yugopnik, every time he quotes Zizek he’s saying some beyond obvious shit so it only serves to give him credit to an audience that might then fall into his barely concealed white supremacist worldview
Yugo does go pretty heavy on the nazi memes at times too I noticed, maybe not the best for a channel that’s supposed to denazify its audience. I think the point is to reach out to people who are a bit further out, but it feels more like he’s just dragging people to the right.
This post seems like it is calling out some German group and not promoting this picture. The subreddit is clearly too large and not moderated well but this isn’t a good example.
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Deprogram subreddit seems to lack proper moderation, radlibs are moderated from the obvious radlib shit, but were shoehorned in the “leftist infighting” big tent, fringe safety valves like zizek, religious apologia and of course bothsiding Ukraine war. There’s a lot of based people too, but entire sub is in permanent genzedong struggle session.
I’m gonna say something that may be unpopular here, but the liberalism in that subreddit is a symptom of the flirting with liberalism that the Deprogram trio themselves do. They have cultivated an audience that is very mixed because their takes are inconsistent. Particularly on the Ukraine conflict they have refused to take an unequivocally pro-Russian stance and have fed into liberal misconceptions about the conflict by having dubious guests comment on it, proposing incorrect explanations for the causes of the conflict, and generally focusing too much on the contradictions of the Russian Federation instead of identifying the primary contradiction which is the struggle against fascism and imperialism. And they are continuing to associate with and defend extremely problematic figures like Hasan Piker, who also has cultivated an audience in which absolutely atrocious takes on the Ukraine conflict (and many other topics) are ubiquitous. Imo the Deprogram trio themselves need to be held a little more responsible for the poor quality of their subreddit.
I agree, the hosts feel like they aren’t really continuing their own socialist education, and are quite possibly even actively going backwards (it feels like Yugopnik has gotten a lot more reactionary sounding over time.) I love their banter, but they have really ceased to be a proper “socialist” podcast for me and have become another “3 guys talking about whatever” podcast with a socialist bent.
I’m worried they’re too concerned with the social media aspect of it, trying to remain “popular” to reach more people, but in doing so, have actively turned away from “unpalatable” messages, which can easily lead their audience of baby leftists astray. I would’ve recommended the podcast to people just learning about socialism a year or so ago, but these days I’d be worried it would do more harm than good.
I would’ve recommended the podcast to people just learning about socialism a year or so ago, but these days I’d be worried it would do more harm than good.
Same. I myself stopped listening sometime last year when the podcast became too repetitive and too shallow, and although i check in every now and then to see what the new episodes are about i have not seen any change for the better.
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The deprogram’s subreddit is what happens when you consistently bring up ziezek in a positive light. Like why give any credence to that cryptofash?? It’s been like a year, they should know better by now what that guy stands for, especially for how mask-off he’s been going.
It’s because he keeps saying one thing, and then the complete opposite. Being inconsistent and incoherent, while constantly bamboozling your diehard fans with contradictory stances apparently makes you an enlightened centrist leading the “radical left” intelligentsia, fending off baddies with such nuanced takes such as “both sides bad”.
Ask 10 Zizek fans what he represents and you’ll probably get 10 different answers.
https://gabrielrockhill.com/2023/01/02/article-capitalisms-court-jester-slavoj-zizek/
Such a good article. https://www.counterpunch.org/2023/01/02/capitalisms-court-jester-slavoj-zizek/
Yeah that’s my biggest concern with Yugopnik, every time he quotes Zizek he’s saying some beyond obvious shit so it only serves to give him credit to an audience that might then fall into his barely concealed white supremacist worldview
Yugo does go pretty heavy on the nazi memes at times too I noticed, maybe not the best for a channel that’s supposed to denazify its audience. I think the point is to reach out to people who are a bit further out, but it feels more like he’s just dragging people to the right.
This post seems like it is calling out some German group and not promoting this picture. The subreddit is clearly too large and not moderated well but this isn’t a good example.
Here’s the post: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheDeprogram/comments/17nw7k9/german_antifacist_called_antideutsch/
OP caught with their pants down.
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You Liar! You lying liar! Lying liar lieface!
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Deprogram subreddit seems to lack proper moderation, radlibs are moderated from the obvious radlib shit, but were shoehorned in the “leftist infighting” big tent, fringe safety valves like zizek, religious apologia and of course bothsiding Ukraine war. There’s a lot of based people too, but entire sub is in permanent genzedong struggle session.
I’m gonna say something that may be unpopular here, but the liberalism in that subreddit is a symptom of the flirting with liberalism that the Deprogram trio themselves do. They have cultivated an audience that is very mixed because their takes are inconsistent. Particularly on the Ukraine conflict they have refused to take an unequivocally pro-Russian stance and have fed into liberal misconceptions about the conflict by having dubious guests comment on it, proposing incorrect explanations for the causes of the conflict, and generally focusing too much on the contradictions of the Russian Federation instead of identifying the primary contradiction which is the struggle against fascism and imperialism. And they are continuing to associate with and defend extremely problematic figures like Hasan Piker, who also has cultivated an audience in which absolutely atrocious takes on the Ukraine conflict (and many other topics) are ubiquitous. Imo the Deprogram trio themselves need to be held a little more responsible for the poor quality of their subreddit.
Idk if here, but that would surely be unpopular on that subreddit :)
I agree though, and criticizing anything about the trio there is causing considerable anger.
I agree, the hosts feel like they aren’t really continuing their own socialist education, and are quite possibly even actively going backwards (it feels like Yugopnik has gotten a lot more reactionary sounding over time.) I love their banter, but they have really ceased to be a proper “socialist” podcast for me and have become another “3 guys talking about whatever” podcast with a socialist bent.
I’m worried they’re too concerned with the social media aspect of it, trying to remain “popular” to reach more people, but in doing so, have actively turned away from “unpalatable” messages, which can easily lead their audience of baby leftists astray. I would’ve recommended the podcast to people just learning about socialism a year or so ago, but these days I’d be worried it would do more harm than good.
Same. I myself stopped listening sometime last year when the podcast became too repetitive and too shallow, and although i check in every now and then to see what the new episodes are about i have not seen any change for the better.
that sub usually has at least one or two “is Russia imperialist? I’m just asking questions!” posts a week. I wish they would ban those people