I’m talking about deeply held beliefs you have that many might disagree with here or deem to be incompatible with Marxist ideology. I’m interested because I doubt everyone here is an ideological robot who all share the same uniformity in belief

  • @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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    is a mistake has been a major mistake of many leftist movements through history, turning the church and believers into perfect targets for anti-marxist radicalization and conversion.

    This is completely backwards. In places where religious organisations weren’t powerful politically, there was not very much need of oppression or it didn’t mattered very much. Example: China or minor religions in Europe. In places where they were… please enlighten me, how would you deal with entrenched institution like catholic church? By kissing the bishop ring and handing even more privileges? EVERY infringement on their privileges was always treated as attack on faith itself.

    Religion and belief play a major role in Marxism

    what

    and anti-capitalism

    They do. Major? Depending where. In colonized and exploited countries the often do, though even there, they often brings they own deal of problems, just lesser than the imperialism. When imperialism will be defeated those contraditions will resurface, for example: Afghanistan. Also if you look at this, religious movements as antiimperialist gained traction everywhere where the socialists were massacred. And even there, imperialism very often use religion for their purposes, like in entire west Asia. Or Xinjiang. In imperialist countries themsevles, religion either stand hand to hand with imperium or at least reap the rewards of imperialism.

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      I agree, a strong church has never been a good thing. From England to Tibet. But I feel like there is not enough credit for the fact that the first (utopian) communists got their ideas from religion. I do think the vanguard should be athiest, but when there are progressive religious forces—like in current Nicaragua or in the US during the civil rights movement— they should be allied with.

      • that the first (utopian) communists got their ideas from religion.

        More from the primitive pre-class society, but true, some religions preserved those ideas (though that probably means they were super backwards), and this just as all other utopian versions of socialism never spread far or survived long surrounded by the clas societies. And those ideas eventually often morphed into monasticism which was just feudal or slave exploitation sprinkled with the holy water.

        I do think the vanguard should be athiest, but when there are progressive religious forces—like in current Nicaragua or in the US during the civil rights movement— they should be allied with.

        Absolutely, i was never against allying with relatively progressive religious movements, i just vehemently oppose revising the marxist principles in this direction. In the same meaning as famous Lenin analogy about road and swamp.

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          I believe many religions had (some) decent foundations and they lose those once they stop being religions of the oppressed and become religions of oppressors. Take Christianity, in its early days it was radical and anti-colonial, but it was absorbed by Rome and created the Catholic Church. 🤮