this yesterday is clearly in response to the news cycle this story is part of:
The linked article is a bit short on quotes longer than single words, but I’m guessing she didn’t actually say what the headline says she did. In fact, that headline (though not the URL) has already been edited to replace the word “overthrow” with the word “transform”. 🤣
Yeah, those quotes certainly sound pretty underwhelming. She recognizes there’s a problem, but stops short of calling for establishment abolishment of capitalism.
I disagree on that interpretation. She’s clearly saying capitalism has failed and should be done away with. She isn’t arguing for socialism per se but her actual point (that ideology should not stand in for concrete action and material conditions) is well taken by someone who leans that way.
Without taking a position on what should replace capitalism it becomes just complaining in my opinion. Sure, lots of people agree capitalism is a failure, but the only known workable alternative is socialism. If she’s not advocating for that then she’s not really championing any actual solutions.
Marx famously said he did not know what would come after capitalism exactly or at least how a stateless/classless society would come about in its specifics. Epistemological humility is valuable here!
You’re referring to Marx discussing a far future society that grows out of socialism. Marx was pretty explicit regarding how he believed the transition from capitalism should be accomplished. We are in a situation where our biosphere is collapsing and if there is any hope of abolishing capitalism in time, then it has to be done using tools that have been shown to work.
Incorrect. There is nothing Marx about “communism growing out of socialism”. He only refers to “higher” and “lower” phases of communism. The idea that “socialism grows into communism” was a revision by Lenin to try and explain how the Russian agrian feudalism was suppose to go to communism while skipping industrial capitalism.
What Marx refers to as the lower phase of communism is precisely what’s understood to be socialism in the context of Marxism today. Meanwhile, your definition is itself incorrect. What Lenin refers to is the stage after the revolution where society transitions from capitalism towards a communist society. A great explanation of that can be found here;.
I’d be curious of your opinion on this video. I know the title will not make you happy but it extensively quotes Marx directly: https://youtu.be/rRXvQuE9xO4
It directly talks about Marx’s concept of higher and lower phase communism and how this differs from the Leninist revision.
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this yesterday is clearly in response to the news cycle this story is part of:
The linked article is a bit short on quotes longer than single words, but I’m guessing she didn’t actually say what the headline says she did. In fact, that headline (though not the URL) has already been edited to replace the word “overthrow” with the word “transform”. 🤣
Yeah, those quotes certainly sound pretty underwhelming. She recognizes there’s a problem, but stops short of calling for
establishmentabolishment of capitalism.I disagree on that interpretation. She’s clearly saying capitalism has failed and should be done away with. She isn’t arguing for socialism per se but her actual point (that ideology should not stand in for concrete action and material conditions) is well taken by someone who leans that way.
Without taking a position on what should replace capitalism it becomes just complaining in my opinion. Sure, lots of people agree capitalism is a failure, but the only known workable alternative is socialism. If she’s not advocating for that then she’s not really championing any actual solutions.
I think complaining isn’t too bad an option.
Marx famously said he did not know what would come after capitalism exactly or at least how a stateless/classless society would come about in its specifics. Epistemological humility is valuable here!
You’re referring to Marx discussing a far future society that grows out of socialism. Marx was pretty explicit regarding how he believed the transition from capitalism should be accomplished. We are in a situation where our biosphere is collapsing and if there is any hope of abolishing capitalism in time, then it has to be done using tools that have been shown to work.
Incorrect. There is nothing Marx about “communism growing out of socialism”. He only refers to “higher” and “lower” phases of communism. The idea that “socialism grows into communism” was a revision by Lenin to try and explain how the Russian agrian feudalism was suppose to go to communism while skipping industrial capitalism.
What Marx refers to as the lower phase of communism is precisely what’s understood to be socialism in the context of Marxism today. Meanwhile, your definition is itself incorrect. What Lenin refers to is the stage after the revolution where society transitions from capitalism towards a communist society. A great explanation of that can be found here;.
I’d be curious of your opinion on this video. I know the title will not make you happy but it extensively quotes Marx directly: https://youtu.be/rRXvQuE9xO4
It directly talks about Marx’s concept of higher and lower phase communism and how this differs from the Leninist revision.