Where have I heard this one before

  • @knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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    342 years ago

    I just had this come up the other day when a few Germans said “the Americans saved us at the end of WWII.” I replied that actually the Soviets did the bulk of the saving, to which everyone had “but the Soviets raped their way to Berlin” on the tip of their tongue ready to go.

    • @KommandoGZD@lemmygrad.mlOP
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      222 years ago

      Yeah if you’re not German it’s hard to explain how widespread this belief about the “Rape of Berlin” (and East Prussia) is. Everyone knows this and 99.9% accept it as true. It’s just common knowledge here, something entirely uncontentious. It’s not even part of school education, I reckon it just got passed down from the war generation through the generations. Was definitely one of the first things I ever learned about WW2.

      Like go on r/germany and try doubting it in any way.

      • It’s not even part of school education, I reckon it just got passed down from the war generation through the generations.

        In Poland it’s casually mentioned everywhere where the period is mentioned. Even the pulp romance books are full of it.

        It’s 100% purposeful and targeted propaganda, and i bet in Germany it’s the same.

        • @knfrmity@lemmygrad.ml
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          292 years ago

          The concept of Soviets and the Red Army in particular raping innocent German women and girls appears to have started during the war as Nazi propaganda. It was just super convenient for the Allies (excl. USSR) to pick up the already ingrained propaganda and run with it when it came time to end the war.

          When you dig into it, most anti-communist myths have Nazi origins.

          • @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml
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            2 years ago

            While the particular Berlin stories originated from nazis, entire “bolshevik rape horde” started way before, during revolution and stayed after. Especially polish propganda in 1920+ spreaded it left and right.

            • JucheBot1988
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              92 years ago

              I believe that there were also cases of US commanders blaming crimes that their own soldiers committed on “those evil, rape-happy Russians.”

        • @KommandoGZD@lemmygrad.mlOP
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          142 years ago

          I reckon it’s probably a mix of surviving war time propaganda and panic/rumors that spread during the war. Many people would’ve just believed it, West Germany didn’t do much to combat beliefs like this so it just got passed down through the generations. If you grow up believing this kind of stuff and you’re not particularly politically/historically educated there’s a good chance you’ll just pass it on.

          Probably how it happened in my family. Grandparents fled from East Prussia, they’s have heard rumors and propaganda, they told their children, they told me. People around me believed it too, so not much of a reason to doubt it for a long time.

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        Yeah I think there were 20k reports of rape in France as the US came through. VERY few US soldiers were punished for this while the Soviets seemed willing to execute the war criminals among them.

    • JucheBot1988
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      112 years ago

      raped their way to Berlin

      Famously effective tactic against cutting-edge tanks and airplanes