Source is Why Women Have Better Sex Under Socialism by Kristen Ghodsee

  • @boston_key_party@lemmygrad.ml
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    -22 years ago

    Involuntary celibacy is a degradation of the material conditions of the (largely) male proletariat and not all incels are reactionary. Whether incels radicalize right or left depends on the state of outreach to them. Please stop punching down on proles for the sex they can’t get and leave incels out of this.

    Capitalism is a loss for the incel community. For-profit food industry results in high obesity rates that turn sex with attractive people into a class privilege for the bourgeioisie. Capitalists steal our labor and use it against us to outcompete us for mating opportunities. We’re too overworked and underpaid to be the kind of interesting people others want to be with. The number of involuntarily celibate men in the USA is at a historic high because of the sharpening contradictions of capitalism. To regard incels as inherently reactionary is to engage in idealist error and forgo opportunities for conducting agitation and propaganda.

    • @Giyuu@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 years ago

      Correct in the broad sense. Incels are not our allies and are reactionary, that should be clear, but in terms of finding mates, I believe you are correct in your analysis that capitalism allows a select group (let’s be real, predominantly white wealthy men) access to a larger pool of mates and excludes others in competing.

      This is very important to understand because it provides a (one) biological (scientific) reason for why a class (bourgeoisie) can act the way it does. This is similar to feudalism, where a lord could rape anyone he wanted. Having a material source for the genesis of incels is much more compelling than just “they are weak men who can’t get laid”, which is a position untenable with socialism.

      For specific examples, we can look at how Elon Musk has fathered children with an employee and was recently accused of sexual harassment. And how politicians are involved in the (disgusting) sex trade. We can look at other rich old dudes and see how they pay for testosterone replacement and personal trainers to continue to build muscle mass, which makes them more attractive to mates.

      It is important to stress this is NOT a position sympathetic to Nazis, but an observation of how class affects our biology.

      Thank you for bringing this up, as it was something I was fiddling with in the back of my head recently but figured it too taboo to discuss.