Austria is dropping compulsory COVID-19 vaccination for adults saying it is unlikely that the measure, suspended since March, would raise one of western Europe's lowest vaccination rates, Health Minister Johannes Rauch said on Thursday.
Of course the protein is harmful, if it were not our immune system would not attack it and cells producing it
That’s not how the immune system works!
Yes, the dosage and distribution matter though, the distribution of the protein via the vaccine is surely going to be different from what the virus does.
The protein is not the harmful part of the virus. You don’t understand how the virus works. There is plenty of literature on the subject, please educate yourself.
This is the very oversimplification I have tried to point out.
It’s not, this is literally what the effect of the vaccine is.
What’s that even supposed to mean? If an object enters your body and provokes an immune response it is by definition harmful at least in the way that the immune system requires energy to destroy it. I. e. you are better off if said object doesn’t enter your body in the first place.
The protein is not the harmful part of the virus. You don’t understand how the virus works.
My bad, I meant to say the mRNA and its container, which is what my main concern is.
It’s not, this is literally what the effect of the vaccine is.
Perhaps you are missing my point, let me restate it:
The virus does damage by attacking cells which then are forced to replicate the virus. Thus these cells are attacked by the immune system and die. A very similar thing happens with mRNA vaccines. Except that cells are only forced to replicate a part of the virus which itself can not do any further replication. If both mRNA vaccine and virus were always distributed very similarly and thus affected pretty much the same cells, I could not see how the vaccine could possibly be more dangerous than the virus and for quite a while I thought this was obviously the case. But this is not true. Distribution as well as dosage may differ.
At least for the short term we do know by observation that statistically taking the vaccine, especially for high risk groups, is much safer than getting infected. But I still think there are too many variables to consider to make a proper prediction about how possible long terms effects of an infection compare to these of the vaccines.
If an object enters your body and provokes an immune response it is by definition harmful at least in the way that the immune system requires energy to destroy it. I. e. you are better off if said object doesn’t enter your body in the first place.
This has nothing to do with how harmful the object is. Immune system simply detects that the object is foreign to your body. Immune system can react to plenty of harmless things as seen with allergies, and fail to react to harmful things as seen with viruses like covid.
My bad, I meant to say the mRNA and its container, which is what my main concern is.
How is mRNA and its container harmful, what exactly is the concern?
A very similar thing happens with mRNA vaccines.
Except it’s not similar at all. The virus destroys cells and subverts their internal machinery to produce more of itself. The vaccine simply uses mRNA code to tell cells to produce a bit of protein. This doesn’t harm the cells, and most importantly there’s no replication happening in the process. Again, I urge you to actually read up on how the technology works. I recommend reading this explanation as a primer.
The vaccine simply uses mRNA code to tell cells to produce a bit of protein. This doesn’t harm the cells
That’s just not true, cells exposing the spike protein after being forced to produce it by the mRNA vaccine will also be attacked by the immune system. While not necessarily all these cells will be killed there is still some amount of damage that’s being done.
How is mRNA and its container harmful, what exactly is the concern?
Regarding the container aka lipid nanoparticles: I do not know and as far as I can tell there has been too little previous work on this to enable us to make long term predictions.
That’s just not true, cells exposing the spike protein after being forced to produce it by the mRNA vaccine will also be attacked by the immune system. While not necessarily all these cells will be killed there is still some amount of damage that’s being done.
The immune system predominantly attacks the protein itself, and you lose cells all the time that in itself is not harmful. What’s harmful is a chain reaction the virus causes where it exponentially hijacks more and more cells and converts them to virus factories. The vaccine does not do that.
Regarding the container aka lipid nanoparticles: I do not know and as far as I can tell there has been too little previous work on this to enable us to make long term predictions.
In other words your concern stems from having superficial understanding of how this technology works and lack of trust in the experts.
That’s not how the immune system works!
The protein is not the harmful part of the virus. You don’t understand how the virus works. There is plenty of literature on the subject, please educate yourself.
It’s not, this is literally what the effect of the vaccine is.
It’s not.
What’s that even supposed to mean? If an object enters your body and provokes an immune response it is by definition harmful at least in the way that the immune system requires energy to destroy it. I. e. you are better off if said object doesn’t enter your body in the first place.
My bad, I meant to say the mRNA and its container, which is what my main concern is.
Perhaps you are missing my point, let me restate it: The virus does damage by attacking cells which then are forced to replicate the virus. Thus these cells are attacked by the immune system and die. A very similar thing happens with mRNA vaccines. Except that cells are only forced to replicate a part of the virus which itself can not do any further replication. If both mRNA vaccine and virus were always distributed very similarly and thus affected pretty much the same cells, I could not see how the vaccine could possibly be more dangerous than the virus and for quite a while I thought this was obviously the case. But this is not true. Distribution as well as dosage may differ.
At least for the short term we do know by observation that statistically taking the vaccine, especially for high risk groups, is much safer than getting infected. But I still think there are too many variables to consider to make a proper prediction about how possible long terms effects of an infection compare to these of the vaccines.
This has nothing to do with how harmful the object is. Immune system simply detects that the object is foreign to your body. Immune system can react to plenty of harmless things as seen with allergies, and fail to react to harmful things as seen with viruses like covid.
How is mRNA and its container harmful, what exactly is the concern?
Except it’s not similar at all. The virus destroys cells and subverts their internal machinery to produce more of itself. The vaccine simply uses mRNA code to tell cells to produce a bit of protein. This doesn’t harm the cells, and most importantly there’s no replication happening in the process. Again, I urge you to actually read up on how the technology works. I recommend reading this explanation as a primer.
That’s just not true, cells exposing the spike protein after being forced to produce it by the mRNA vaccine will also be attacked by the immune system. While not necessarily all these cells will be killed there is still some amount of damage that’s being done.
Regarding the container aka lipid nanoparticles: I do not know and as far as I can tell there has been too little previous work on this to enable us to make long term predictions.
The immune system predominantly attacks the protein itself, and you lose cells all the time that in itself is not harmful. What’s harmful is a chain reaction the virus causes where it exponentially hijacks more and more cells and converts them to virus factories. The vaccine does not do that.
In other words your concern stems from having superficial understanding of how this technology works and lack of trust in the experts.