• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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    2 years ago

    I find liberals are the hardest demographic to move left in practice. Liberals strongly believe in individualism above all else, and this precludes having a systemic view of the problems we face. In a liberal world view, it’s always the individual that’s the problem as opposed to the system. Traditionally, when push comes to shove liberals inevitably embrace fascism instead of moving left. I thought this was an excellent analysis of the ideology.

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        52 years ago

        I’m talking about liberals here, I find libertarians are closest to anarchists ideologically.

    • @meloo@lemmy.perthchat.org
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      12 years ago

      Libertarians like things like entrepreneurship and venture capitalism eh? What about… like venture leftism? Tell them starting up a union is like being a business owner! (union bosses make a lot more money than regular workers right?).

      Venture neighborhood community pod might be harder since they’re not making much money from that. But something like “youre so dashing charismatic, instead of using your money, you use your charisma to build an organization and then put that on your resume and apply to be a ceo. Plus women dig that.”

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        22 years ago

        I don’t really see the point. There are already tried and tested methods for overthrowing capitalist regimes that don’t rely on libertarians.

    • @meloo@lemmy.perthchat.org
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      12 years ago

      Everyday is a new day and there are new potentially low hanging fruit to radicalize - what about cryptobros?

      Judging from the subreddit, a lot of them are banking their 1000$ oncrypto to try to get a better standard of living. 1000$ and only a 1000 and they had to save up for months/weeks to have that amount of expendable cash.

      Something involving the key phrases of:

      “since the cryptomarket has crashed” (it actually has), “we should take the billionaires money and use that to improve our standard of living”, “billonaires gamble millions into the cryptomarket and get lucky and get richer, but if the market tanks, it doesn’t even affect them”.

      Some shiza about the american dream involving leftist concepts that appeals to libertarians. Invoke the wallstreet bets gamespot play. It has to appeal to that individual responsibility bs.

      I’m not sure how to try to appeal to them properly, or how to even go about contacting them in an effective manner (ex a self post on r/cryptocurrency?)

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        32 years ago

        Cryptobros is just not the demographic I’d go after for radicalizing to be honest.

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      12 years ago

      Your link is basically saying that we should be both anti-government and anti-business/anti capitalism. Unless I’m missing something?

      • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆
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        42 years ago

        A government represents the interests of the class that holds power. In western countries, capitalists are in charge and the government is formed by this class to serve the interests of this class. So, the problem isn’t with the concept of a government but with whose interests the government represents. Working class needs to seize power and form a government that represents the interests of working people.