The Lies We're Told About Stalin ft. Grover Furr
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The Lies We're Told About Stalin ft. Grover FurrI am honored to have on Professor Grover Furr as the special guest for tonight's stream. Here, Professor Furr...

First of all, i know Infrared isnt popular with many of you here, and thats ok. However i think this interview will be valuable to many of you, even if you dont like Infrared.

For those who dont know, Professor Grover Furr is a historian who has written many books debunking so called “stalinist crimes”. He investigated extensively topics such as the Holodomor, the Great Purges, Khrushchevs Secret Speech in 1956, the deportations of ethnic minorities during WW2, the Katyn Massacre and many more. These topics are discussed here.

Enjoy!

  • @TheConquestOfBed
    3•2 years ago

    You’re defending this dude awful hard for him to not be that important or of much importance to you personally. Also strawmanning the hell out of anyone who disagrees with you.

    Maybe I’m into Juche but I don’t need a screaming gamerbro to tell me that. Maybe I think Azov are nazis and I don’t need to agree with a guy who attracts misogynistic and transphobic followers like flies via his sneaky little dogwhistles. He will only say that lgbt and women’s rights are not important, but his followers regularly say the quiet part out loud that they find us to be a burden on whatever white guy shit they think the “real” movement needs to be about and he says nothing in our defense. Maybe I think internationalism requires a bit of empathy with people who’ve been fighting imperialism for hundreds of years and don’t think it’s necessary to stan powerful neolibs to do that.

    You know there are people of color, lgbt people, and people formerly colonized by the Spanish Empire living in Spain, right? Do you think wanting them to be part of the movement is American idpol? Do they need to stay quiet and not talk too loud about how the empire fucked them? See, I can make strawmen too.

    Haz is a debatebro and his rhetorical style and audience focus creates debatebros. He’s just Vaush but with a red star on his hat, and people who like him sound like Vaushites to anyone not invested in debatebro culture.

    • @SaddamHussein24@lemmygrad.mlOP
      0•2 years ago

      Okay genius, i will repeat it one last time, in all caps, so maybe you will understand this time.

      I SUPPORT LAND BACK, I DISAGREE WITH HAZ ON THIS AND BELIEVE HE IS MISTAKEN. HOWEVER THAT DOESNT MAKE HAZ A FASCIST NOR AN AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALIST.

      Do you understand what im saying now? Or do i have to repeat it in Comic Sans?

      I agree, he uses alt right dogwhistles, and thats wrong, i disagree with that. But that doesnt make him a fascist. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation and its leader Gennady Zyuganov also often use alt right rhethoric like “globalists” “degenerates” and so on. Does this now mean that the 2nd biggest party in Russia, the Communist Party, is now a fascist party and is our enemy? Ofc not. You can disagree with it but still recognize they are comrades. You are free to dislike or hate Infrared, despite this caricature you made of me in your mind, im not Infrareds lawyer, i have no interest in defending any of their political positions. All im saying is hes not a fascist. I will repeat it again.

      HOMOPHOBIA IS NOT FASCISM. FASCISM IS THE HOLOCAUST.

      Feel free to hate him for being homophobic, but hes not a fascist. Thats all im saying.