• ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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      02 years ago

      I think you are giving them a bit to much credit. Poverty is still a huge problem. No matter what the government is claiming.

      China started from a place of utter devastation during WW2, and they’ve managed to consistently and dramatically improve the quality of life for the people ever since.

      China is also directly tackling problems with pollution, and does things like reforestation at massive scale. They’re leading in both renewables and nuclear by a wide margin. China is the only country that has a concrete plan to transition off fossils that’s actually being implemented.

      Meanwhile, Japan, Taiwan, Singapore had billions poured into them by western imperialists. And this is an example of the amazing personal freedoms you’re touting.

      Lastly I would like to mention their health care. Its not socialized very well. If you don’t have money you die.

      [citation needed]

      He is right to say money really rules there. The banks still get what they want. Money is still the most important factor in whether or not you will be successful in China growing up.

      Banks absolutely don’t get what they want. Again, we saw this clear as day during the pandemic. It will never cease to amaze me how propagandized western people are against China.

        • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆OP
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          22 years ago

          So did Japan, so did many other countries. China is not unique in this.

          What’s unique is that China continue to focus on lifting people out of poverty today. The two articles I linked in my original comment show that this is in fact unique.

          I can’t really take this statement seriously when china is the world’s top polluter.

          That’s a very simplistic way to look at things. China has become world’s workshop. Much of pollution in China is a result of producing things that are consumed in the rest of the world. The cause for the pollution is the consumer demand. The fact that the rest of the world shipped their factories over to China does not ship the responsibility. Meanwhile, China’s energy consumption per capita is far lower than that of western countries.

          You have not provided any citations.

          I’ve literally cited all my statements. Please cite yours as well. Everything I’ve read shows that healthcare is absolutely accessible to everyone in China.

          This is not a fair argument because I don’t think western countries have given those countries anywhere close to the amount of money and investment they gave China. China is America’s favorite Trading partner.

          It is a fair statement because these countries became vassal states of the US. The reason US invested in these countries is to create proxies that it controls. China does trade with US on its own terms, and has retained control over its core economy in a way these countries failed to do. The economies of countries like Japan and Korea primarily serve US interests as opposed those of their own people. I highly recommend reading up on what happened when US started seeing Japan as an economic threat in the 80s.

          And in regards to people wanting to escape south korea, what do you mean? You couldn’t possibly be trying to make the argument south is better than north korea?

          I mean precisely what the article says. South Korea is not a state that acts in the interest of its people.