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    -12 years ago

    Trust is irrelevant. As I’ve already explained, the only thing you can trust is that countries will act in their interest. Understanding what the interests of different countries are and trying to find ways to reconcile those with your own is the only way forward.

    The west has a set of interests, and Russia has a set of interests. The solution is to make it less costly to meet respective interests through a peaceful resolution than a conflict. This requires both sides to give something up understanding that if they do not then they stand to lose more when conflict breaks out.

    And the only thing I assume here based on our interactions is that you’re a troll who wastes other people’s time. I guess you’re playing to your strengths here.

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        -22 years ago

        Again, there is no such thing as trust in geopolitics. It’s about trying to understand the goals and motivations of others, then reconciling that with your own.

        Brute force is precisely how geopolitics works today and as I’ve already explained in this thread, this is precisely what the west uses to retain its position in the world.

        And I love how you aren’t capable of even entertaining the idea that maybe the reason you’re getting downvoted is due to the quality of your comments. Love how you think that you’re being persecuted for your ideas instead. So brave.

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            -22 years ago

            Once you figure out how to create trust in geopolitics then you feel free to pick up your Nobel. The only lesson the west taught Russia is that military force is the only thing the west listens to.

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                -12 years ago

                Perhaps they will, but it’s pretty clear they’re going to get what they want through force since they couldn’t achieve it through diplomacy.

                Condemning the invasion and being realistic about the reason for the invasion are two perfectly compatible positions to hold. If we want to avoid wars in the future, we have to understand underlying causes for wars instead of doing moralizing. Anybody with a couple of brain cells to bang together would understand this. In fact, here’s what Chomsky has to say on the subject:

                In contrast, the Russian invasion of Ukraine was most definitely provoked — though in today’s climate, it is necessary to add the truism that provocation provides no justification for the invasion.

                Many feel that it is wrong to bring up such matters, even a form of pro-Putin propaganda: we should, rather, focus laser-like on Russia’s ongoing crimes. Contrary to their beliefs, that stand does not help Ukrainians. It harms them. If we are barred, by dictate, from learning about ourselves, we will not be able to develop policies that will benefit others, Ukrainians among them. That seems elementary.

                The tactic of dismissing people who want to have a meaningful discussion about the underlying reasons for the conflict is just further dishonesty on your part.

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                    Russia follows Clausewitz philosophy where military force is seen as an extension of diplomacy.

                    You can spin things any way you like, but once you’re done with sophistry then you have to go back to what I said in my comment above. You have to understand the goals and motivations of others, then reconcile them with your own. If both sides are able to do that then direct conflict can be avoided.

                    Meanwhile, NATO is objectively responsible for far greater atrocities than anything Russia has done. This is an objective fact. There is no moralizing necessary here. NATO behaves in exactly the way that you denounce and the reason it does that is because it can get away with it. NATO follows might makes right philosophy of geopolitics.

                    And you’re right that these discussions are getting us nowhere, you you keep on believing whatever fantasies you like, just don’t be surprised when your country burns down because your leaders chose to keep escalating tensions instead of finding common ground.