Hexbear and Lemmygrad hate the Russian Federation, but critically support it in its anti-Western stance it adopts out of pure circumstance. There’s no love for Putin, just depression at how far the Russian Federation has fallen from its Soviet roots, when it was a hugely progressive force for mankind.
“Critically Support” like Djihadis “Critically Support” Drug abuse for their sucide-bonbes.
I know harsh comparison but when you support any capitalist/oligarch system, you are not left-wing, as drug use isn’t Haram.
I don’t like that kind of cherry picking for one’s own political identity. It’s okay to be whatever, but be consequent about it if you want others to accept it.
I am nothing, I have nothing and no one will remember me. I have no political opinion except: Eat the rich, don’t pollute and don’t be an asshole. Everything else is an distraction imho.
Leftism isn’t some holy vow, it’s a practical working mindset to work towards Socialism. There can be no real progress for humanity while the United States remains the worlds largest empire, the US is the biggest barrier for Socialism worldwide.
Ultimately, when you simplify everything down to only supporting genuine Leftist movements, you find yourself without even temporary allies who may have otherwise shared a common goal, and this lowers the chance of Socialism succeeding in the long term. In other words, you would refuse to support the Union over the Confederacy, or Palestine over Israel. This is a convenient oversimplified worldview to take, but it isn’t siding with the global Working Class, but just Leftists specifically.
In other other words, if you refuse to even make temporary allies, you aren’t taking “anti-billionaire” seriously.
But taking billionaires as temporary allies against billionaires sounds like a bad idea.
Like, replace billionaire with fascist, there should be limits after which the entire idea is (literally) compromised.
I get your point. The “Boycott Harris” campaign was genius to split the votes. I can’t say if their goal, to enable Trump because “he can’t be worse”, will play out like they hoped. But history will tell,…
Taking no allies and saying you can’t make allies exclusively on the basis of common temporary interest is dogmatic. Again, your line of logic sides against Palestine and against the Union, because neither could be considered “Leftist” as systems. This is wrong.
The odd non-sequitor to Harris to push a confused narrative of Leftists preferring Trump is pointless, for many people genocide is a firm red line and by all accounts the United States is Genocidal.
No allies != Selected Allies, Fascists should never be considered allies under any circumstances (which includes Israel).
Usually fascists start a genocide (they need someone below them they can exploit to extinction for their shit system to work, which is basically the definition of modern capitalism).
In terms of the Harris Genocide Campaign and the common temporary interests, I am probably too dumb to see the strategy. Especially since Trumps despicable statement: “To let them finish the job”, which in turn confuses the heck out of me in a two party (shit) system.
It shouldn’t be so complicated… be a facist, get fucked. Everything else can be talked about.
The situation is more complicated than your comparison and your analysis shows a fundamental lack of understanding about what critical support is or why it’s given. It only appears like cherry-picking when you don’t understand the underlying reasoning that informs these decisions and how they are consistent with Marxist-Leninist theory.
A better metaphor for comparison is if you think of Putin as chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is poisonous, it’s bad for your body, and enough of it will kill you. It sucks and it hurts to go through, however, it also kills cancer cells (weakens US/Western hegemony/imperialism). No one likes chemotherapy and everyone recognizes that is bad for your body, but we suggest the use (critically support the use) of chemotherapy in the fight against cancer (Western Imperialism/capitalism) because it helps us progress toward our ultimate goal.
If the West had allowed Putin to join their hegemony as he had always wanted, then there would be no critical support for him from MLs because all the geopolitical waves he makes that are destructive towards the Western imperialist geopolitical waves would not exist. Anytime you see an ML saying “I love you daddy Putin” please understand that it’s a joke. People misrepresent our positions all the time and we cope by embracing them in jest. He’s a capitalist pig who we’d like to see gone or reformed like the others, but he’s a strategically useful pig in that his actions are weakening Western Imperial power in the current moment. By the ML definition, imperialism = capitalism (it’s just the stage we are in) and the biggest base of imperial power comes from the US. Once the bigger threat is defeated, if he’s still around and up to capitalist bullshit, Putin will not have our support. While his actions help support our goals, it makes no sense for us to actively oppose him when we could better spend that energy elsewhere. It’s similar to “the enemy of my enemy is my [strategic] friend”. ML prefers an approach that is more focused on pragmatism than ideological purity.
Not all leftists agree on this type of critical support. Typically, those are the ones shouting for more purity and are typically who we call ultras. The same reasons they would not critically support Putin are the same reasons they don’t support China and call it capitalist (a focus on ideological purity rather than a practical approach toward achieving our goal of communism).
If you want to better understand why certain leftists do what they do, there is plenty of material out there explaining leftist theory and contemporary geopolitical analysis. Likewise, you could always ask us why we take certain positions on Lemmygrad or Hexbear. There is likely someone happy to take the time to explain or a well written explanation that already exists that can be linked for you if you show genuine interest and a willingness to listen, though you should be warned to expect some prickly responses in those spaces due to people who asked before you and turned out to be trolls.
The extent of the energy I’m willing to spend on the topic now ends here. Hopefully it helped clarify what we mean by critical support.
The strategy is similar to the Chinese one, right? World dominance by trade and the capitalist system, then a soft reboot by orchestrated take overs of the financial markets. At least that was some theory that seems to fit the requirements for plausible.
I really hate fascism, if money-fascism or any other kind of mindless “let’s blindly run in that direction” kind of behavior. Nothing good ever came from this kind of political stampede (my opinion, not a stated fact). I know exactly how the Nazis behaved and I see a lot of similarities in Trump and his Supporters… and definitely the Russians, Chinese, … in the end there will be one winning party and they are all fascists.
If you want to see which political model could spawn some socialist equal system you would have to take something like the European Union, make it a world power, and gradually remove (regular) money from the system. It comes to show that this free system is not made for bad actors inside of it… and the fascists realized that… EU won’t last, and when it breaks I completely write off this piece of shit humanity (because despite it’s flaws, it’s actually the closest to a truly socialist superpower we have)
The EU is not even close to Socialist, I find it hard to believe you were paying much attention to their comment. The EU and the US make up the world’s largest Empire. Additionally, China is Socialist, and well on its way to being a Superpower.
China isn’t fascist, and neither was the USSR. China hasn’t reached Communism, but they are working towards it through Socialism. They are Socialist because the Public Sector is dominant over their economy and government holds supremacy over Capitalists.
You need to read Marx if you want to have an opinion on Marxism, and you should read Blackshirts and Reds if you believe Communism is fascist.
Hexbear and Lemmygrad hate the Russian Federation, but critically support it in its anti-Western stance it adopts out of pure circumstance. There’s no love for Putin, just depression at how far the Russian Federation has fallen from its Soviet roots, when it was a hugely progressive force for mankind.
“Critically Support” like Djihadis “Critically Support” Drug abuse for their sucide-bonbes.
I know harsh comparison but when you support any capitalist/oligarch system, you are not left-wing, as drug use isn’t Haram.
I don’t like that kind of cherry picking for one’s own political identity. It’s okay to be whatever, but be consequent about it if you want others to accept it.
I am nothing, I have nothing and no one will remember me. I have no political opinion except: Eat the rich, don’t pollute and don’t be an asshole. Everything else is an distraction imho.
Thanks for reading =)
Leftism isn’t some holy vow, it’s a practical working mindset to work towards Socialism. There can be no real progress for humanity while the United States remains the worlds largest empire, the US is the biggest barrier for Socialism worldwide.
Ultimately, when you simplify everything down to only supporting genuine Leftist movements, you find yourself without even temporary allies who may have otherwise shared a common goal, and this lowers the chance of Socialism succeeding in the long term. In other words, you would refuse to support the Union over the Confederacy, or Palestine over Israel. This is a convenient oversimplified worldview to take, but it isn’t siding with the global Working Class, but just Leftists specifically.
In other other words, if you refuse to even make temporary allies, you aren’t taking “anti-billionaire” seriously.
But taking billionaires as temporary allies against billionaires sounds like a bad idea.
Like, replace billionaire with fascist, there should be limits after which the entire idea is (literally) compromised.
I get your point. The “Boycott Harris” campaign was genius to split the votes. I can’t say if their goal, to enable Trump because “he can’t be worse”, will play out like they hoped. But history will tell,…
Taking no allies and saying you can’t make allies exclusively on the basis of common temporary interest is dogmatic. Again, your line of logic sides against Palestine and against the Union, because neither could be considered “Leftist” as systems. This is wrong.
The odd non-sequitor to Harris to push a confused narrative of Leftists preferring Trump is pointless, for many people genocide is a firm red line and by all accounts the United States is Genocidal.
No what I meant was:
No allies != Selected Allies, Fascists should never be considered allies under any circumstances (which includes Israel). Usually fascists start a genocide (they need someone below them they can exploit to extinction for their shit system to work, which is basically the definition of modern capitalism).
In terms of the Harris Genocide Campaign and the common temporary interests, I am probably too dumb to see the strategy. Especially since Trumps despicable statement: “To let them finish the job”, which in turn confuses the heck out of me in a two party (shit) system.
It shouldn’t be so complicated… be a facist, get fucked. Everything else can be talked about.
The situation is more complicated than your comparison and your analysis shows a fundamental lack of understanding about what critical support is or why it’s given. It only appears like cherry-picking when you don’t understand the underlying reasoning that informs these decisions and how they are consistent with Marxist-Leninist theory.
A better metaphor for comparison is if you think of Putin as chemotherapy. Chemotherapy is poisonous, it’s bad for your body, and enough of it will kill you. It sucks and it hurts to go through, however, it also kills cancer cells (weakens US/Western hegemony/imperialism). No one likes chemotherapy and everyone recognizes that is bad for your body, but we suggest the use (critically support the use) of chemotherapy in the fight against cancer (Western Imperialism/capitalism) because it helps us progress toward our ultimate goal.
If the West had allowed Putin to join their hegemony as he had always wanted, then there would be no critical support for him from MLs because all the geopolitical waves he makes that are destructive towards the Western imperialist geopolitical waves would not exist. Anytime you see an ML saying “I love you daddy Putin” please understand that it’s a joke. People misrepresent our positions all the time and we cope by embracing them in jest. He’s a capitalist pig who we’d like to see gone or reformed like the others, but he’s a strategically useful pig in that his actions are weakening Western Imperial power in the current moment. By the ML definition, imperialism = capitalism (it’s just the stage we are in) and the biggest base of imperial power comes from the US. Once the bigger threat is defeated, if he’s still around and up to capitalist bullshit, Putin will not have our support. While his actions help support our goals, it makes no sense for us to actively oppose him when we could better spend that energy elsewhere. It’s similar to “the enemy of my enemy is my [strategic] friend”. ML prefers an approach that is more focused on pragmatism than ideological purity.
Not all leftists agree on this type of critical support. Typically, those are the ones shouting for more purity and are typically who we call ultras. The same reasons they would not critically support Putin are the same reasons they don’t support China and call it capitalist (a focus on ideological purity rather than a practical approach toward achieving our goal of communism).
If you want to better understand why certain leftists do what they do, there is plenty of material out there explaining leftist theory and contemporary geopolitical analysis. Likewise, you could always ask us why we take certain positions on Lemmygrad or Hexbear. There is likely someone happy to take the time to explain or a well written explanation that already exists that can be linked for you if you show genuine interest and a willingness to listen, though you should be warned to expect some prickly responses in those spaces due to people who asked before you and turned out to be trolls.
The extent of the energy I’m willing to spend on the topic now ends here. Hopefully it helped clarify what we mean by critical support.
Thank you for the text.
The strategy is similar to the Chinese one, right? World dominance by trade and the capitalist system, then a soft reboot by orchestrated take overs of the financial markets. At least that was some theory that seems to fit the requirements for plausible.
I really hate fascism, if money-fascism or any other kind of mindless “let’s blindly run in that direction” kind of behavior. Nothing good ever came from this kind of political stampede (my opinion, not a stated fact). I know exactly how the Nazis behaved and I see a lot of similarities in Trump and his Supporters… and definitely the Russians, Chinese, … in the end there will be one winning party and they are all fascists.
If you want to see which political model could spawn some socialist equal system you would have to take something like the European Union, make it a world power, and gradually remove (regular) money from the system. It comes to show that this free system is not made for bad actors inside of it… and the fascists realized that… EU won’t last, and when it breaks I completely write off this piece of shit humanity (because despite it’s flaws, it’s actually the closest to a truly socialist superpower we have)
The EU is not even close to Socialist, I find it hard to believe you were paying much attention to their comment. The EU and the US make up the world’s largest Empire. Additionally, China is Socialist, and well on its way to being a Superpower.
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China isn’t fascist, and neither was the USSR. China hasn’t reached Communism, but they are working towards it through Socialism. They are Socialist because the Public Sector is dominant over their economy and government holds supremacy over Capitalists.
You need to read Marx if you want to have an opinion on Marxism, and you should read Blackshirts and Reds if you believe Communism is fascist.