• Cowbee [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        Do you think voting is the entirety of political expression for the working class?

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          2 months ago

          Do you think it’s a zero sum game where voting somehow disables your ability to do other activism and organizing?

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            2 months ago

            Somewhat. Voting makes very little difference at the federal level in the first place, and the huge importance placed on it does placate liberals somewhat.

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                2 months ago

                Yep, and that’s why it’s the extent 99.9% of libs are willing to go, and no further.

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                  2 months ago

                  Right… But unless you’re suggesting abolishing voting entirely, none of this suggests that withholding your vote in protest is useful.

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      2 months ago

      This is a counter to the Democratic party supporters you see everywhere who always get irrationally upset at third party voters, not about Republicans.

      Plenty of us Democrats are very much in support of a ranked choice voting schemes, or similar structural rules like non-partisan blanket primaries (aka jungle primaries). The most solidly Democratic state, California, has implemented top-2 primaries that give independents and third parties a solid shot for anyone who can get close to a plurality of votes as the top choice.

      Alaska’s top four primary, with RCV deciding between those four on election day, is probably the best system we can realistically achieve in a relatively short amount of time.

      Plenty of states have ballot initiatives that bypass elected officials, so people should be putting energy into those campaigns.

      But by the time it comes down to a plurality-take-all election between a Republican who won the primary, a Democrat who won the primary, and various third party or independents who have no chance of winning, the responsible thing to make your views represented is to vote for the person who represents the best option among people who can win.

      Partisan affiliation is open. If a person really wants to run on their own platform, they can go and try to win a primary for a major party, and change it from within.

      TL;DR: I’ll fight for structural changes to make it easier for third parties and independents to win. But under the current rules, voting for a spoiler is throwing the election and owning the results.

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      2 months ago

      Doing something that demonstrably doesn’t work isn’t how you get what you want. If you want an option besides Democrats and Republicans, voting for someone else where those two options have a lock on winning does nothing besides vent some spleen.

      I’m not saying doing nothing is the solution, or even voting for the two main parties is the solution, but doing something that has been shown to be completely ineffective is not the solution.