• novibe
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    1 year ago

    Gusanos* in Florida. The Cubans live in Cuba.

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      1 year ago

      Very cringe to deny someone’s identity because you disagree with the actions or politics of them or their ancestors.

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        Identity is cringe in general, no?

        What I call people is more about my attempts to make the world make sense through categorisation. I don’t think my labels represent “reality” in any way. I understand every individual is a “cosmos” in themselves. So honestly reducing oneself to labels is rather silly and cringe no?

        It’s a bad way to approach self-discovery and understanding. It just externalises the self into idealistic creations of others, aka, identities.

        Like I never wanted for nations to exist, why would I abide by 18-19th century bourgeois ideologies of nationalism?

        Having your ancestors be born in specific land makes you nothing.

        But just to make it clear, if I like you I’ll respect you and your ideas. If I don’t, I won’t. I don’t respect Gusanos, because they are fascists. Many “Cuban-Americans” are not Gusanos.

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          No, identity isn’t that cringe, as long as you treat it as descriptive and not prescriptive. You don’t have to reduce yourself to labels to label yourself. Labels are just a useful shorthand for a confluence of experiences and lifestyle.

          Calling all Cubans who fled from Castro, someone who made a habit of imprisoning political dissidents and came to power by violent revolution, fascists is a bit rich. You can agree with Castro’s philosophy and think he did a lot of good for his country and citizens, and even argue that imprisoning dissidents was necessary in the given circumstances, without condemning those who did not want to live under his rule.

          Your whole post sounds like cope to excuse being a nasty person.

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            Nah man. I don’t have anything explicitly against you, so I respect your ideas. But that’s not what I meant at all.

            Castro was pretty based to be honest, but I don’t “support” individuals in any way. I mean that doesn’t even make sense specially for a dead person.

            But individuals, as cosmos, are complicated. So he was based and made a lot of wrong choices. I’m under no illusion I wouldn’t have made even more wronger choices.

            But I do know what I’m better than, descendants of Cuban slave owners who actively lobby against Cuba today. Those are the Gusanos.

            I have no quarrels with people feeling Cuba for a better life. Not that life in Cuba is so bad mind you.

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              Okay, so you’re saying now that only descendents of slave owners who lobby against Cuba today are gusanos, but in your OP you said Cubans live in Cuba, only Gusanos live in Florida. Are you saying that all people who left Cuba were slave owners, and that all people of Cuban heritage in Florida today are lobbying against Cuba?