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Several ISPs in France have started censoring rt.com via their DNS resolver.

Why are they doing this? I guess officially they’ll say it’s because of Russian propaganda about Ukraine, and that’s partially correct.

But also worth pointing out is that despite very uncritical propaganda from the regime about what happens in Russia, RT is one of the only mass media (non-independent publication) where you can have decent news about social uproar in France (gilets jaunes, anti-police-abuse riots, etc).

We haven’t reached the point where posts to RT are censored on social media (where it’s most popular) so i can’t exactly say we have “one side” to the news yet but it’s getting closer.

This message is both a fuck you to french ISPs engaging in censorship (remember Sci-Hub? TPB?) and a reminder to all the Putin fanboys around here what “there’s only one side to the news” really means: Russia is already there (there’s a few independent publications but they’ve been struggling for years with State censorship and journalist assassinations) and France is getting closer (on the other side of the narrative). The rest of you who live in countries with more free speech can’t even realize what information control means so please don’t take these words lightly.

  • Julianus
    43·
    3 years ago

    What the west should have done was Marshal Plan eastern Europe. Build them up with loans and investments rather let them wallow in corruption and poverty. Look at Japan and Germany today, compared to Russia. It was a cruel, conscious choice to use them as a cheap labor stock. And now we have to deal with the results: peace in our time? Or checking an aggressor before he starts World War III.

    • southerntofuOP
      32·
      3 years ago

      What the west should have done was Marshal Plan eastern Europe.

      I’m not sure the Marshal Plan was a good deal for western Europe, although for sure it accelerated reconstruction greatly. But i’m sure eastern european countries could have fared better without western powers imposing that they must privatize everything, which was not a condition imposed on western european countries post-WWII.

      I’m very much against Putin and this is not a defense of him, but the USA establishment basically created the Russian oligarchy overnight (after the collapse of the USSR) by pushing (forcing?) local authorities to sell every State asset as quickly as possible to the highest bidder while the economy is in ruins. So you end up with a handful of people owning the entire country while ordinary people need a bag of bank notes to buy bread. It’s the very same technique they used in Iraq/Afghanistan after, and in many other places: it’s a widely documented process, but i would personally recommend Naomi Klein’s The shock doctrine and Adam Curtis’ documentaries.

      Once again, i’m not sure a eastern european “marshal plan” would have done better, but lack of western intervention post-USSR-collapse is certainly not what led to Russia being a capitalist hellhole.

      • Julianus
        3·
        3 years ago

        I agree, certainly, that the fire sale was terrible and we’re living the karma from that today. Maybe leaving them alone would have been better? It’s doubtful, though. Look at Africa. Western capital avoided it like the plague and they simply suffered in stagnation until China’s investment today.

        How did Vietnam independently become the economic power it is today? Free trade and public investment in education. That’s how it could have gone in Russia. Instead people traded their shares of the newly privatized infrastructure for boxes of vodka. And thus, the oligarchs came to own it all.

      • Julianus
        75·
        3 years ago

        Ha ha, yep, NATO scared Putin so much he invaded an unaligned nation in response. Nobody cares to invade Russia. Russia would be a NATO member, if it wasn’t trapped in the cold war mentality of Putin. What do you get in return? Finland 2.0? Afghanistan 2.0? And a new batch of EU and NATO members. Putin has outmaneuvered himself.

          • southerntofuOP
            31·
            3 years ago

            Ukraine would have become Afghanistan 2.0 if NATO was allowed to take over.

            Are you saying that western powers were planning a military invasion of Ukraine? This makes no sense, as there was no major military deployment indicating it, nor was there any psyops in the west to mount a narrative justifying such invasion.

          • Julianus
            66·
            3 years ago

            As strong North Korea? They’re totally dependent on China, too. Ukraine is Russia’s next Afghanistan. Remember that fiasco? When American made Stingers cleared the sky of Spetsnaz helicopters? Does that sound familiar?

              • southerntofuOP
                31·
                3 years ago

                Who genocided the muslim populations of the USSR? Was it the USA and western colonizers too? Does that ring any bells? From the wikipedia page on Deportation of Chechens and Ingush:

                The deportation was prepared from at least October 1943 and 19,000 officers as well as 100,000 NKVD soldiers from all over the USSR participated in this operation. The deportation encompassed their entire nations, as well as the liquidation of the Checheno-Ingush Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic. The demographic consequences of this eviction were catastrophic and far reaching: of the 496,000 Chechens and Ingush who were deported (according to Soviet archives; Chechen sources put the deportees at 650,000[1]), at least a quarter perished. In total, the archive records show that over a hundred thousand people died or were killed during the round-ups and transportation, and during their early years in exile in the Kazakh and Kyrgyz SSR as well as Russian SFSR where they were sent to the many forced settlements. Chechen sources claim that 400,000 died, while presuming a higher number of deportees.

                Just because western empires are evil does not mean other empires have to be good.

                  • southerntofuOP
                    31·
                    3 years ago

                    Can we talk about French genocide of Algeria? Or USA’s ongoing genocide of Yemen since many years?

                    Please do. We’ve been talking about it for years, but more conversation/information is always welcome.

              • Julianus
                65·
                3 years ago

                Here’s some more whataboutism for you: Aleppo. Grozny. Go all the way back to Afghanistan, where this “non-genocidal” state carpet bombed during the planting season to starve the population. Projection, indeed.