Dear Lemmy, as you may well be aware, racial hierarchies and colonial empires are doing good in these early 2020s. In particular, in the days of the war in Ukraine, it’s important to point out the fascist tendencies at play.
Fascism and racial/cultural hierarchies are on the rise on every continent, from Turkey to Brasil, to China, to France, to India… Fuck all Nations! Destroy all borders, and long live autonomous Communes!
On the Ukraine side of things, there’s a bunch of neo-nazis in the army, as well as more traditional nationalists/fascists. It’s not exactly a secret, and the former president was very close to these circles:
On the Russian side of things, there’s also a bunch of neo-nazis in the army as well as traditional nationalists/fascists. It’s not exactly a secret either:
Both governments have long fought against popular movements and anarchist/antifascist networks. Both countries have neo-nazi/fascist militias parading down the streets and beating/killing random people. Just like France or USA have them too.
Don’t trust me? Check out the wikipedia page on neo-nazism. Follow their sources and make yourself an opinion. It’s very instructive, although very incomplete. I definitely recommend to check out the Racism in Ukraine and Racism in Russia pages, too.
Please remember that when you try to paint one side of a conflict as the good anti-nazi hero. Nazis are fucking everywhere. Fascists and nazis have been running the show in much of the world even after WWII ended. Nazi collaborators were responsible for France’s war against the algerian people, and their grandchildren (spiritual or biological) are responsible for today’s new repression, wars and genocides.
We need to dismantle nazism and fascism at its root: the nation State and cultural supremacy. Yes, you should be proud of your local culture and land. No, that does not justify diminishing other cultures/lands.
All we exploited/struggling people have to stand in solidarity with other people struggling for freedom and equality across the planet. No border divides us in the international socialist/anarchist movement. We will fight against all Empires for autonomous communities worldwide!
PS: If you need more detailed resources on neo-nazi/neo-fascist/nationalist/traditionalist on the rise in a specific country/region, feel free to ask. There are chances i have some good articles/documentaries, and if not i’ve got ideas about who to ask.
Ok, historically the Soviet Union deserves alot of credit for kicking Nazi ass. Most of it, even.
China? Huh? Are you talking about the Japanese? They were allied with Nazis, and they were bad, but they weren’t Nazis themselves. And this is an important distinction, because if you refuse to make it, then “Nazi” means nothing more than just a really strong synonym of “bad”.
Given how much “bad” there is in the world, then nearly everything and everyone becomes “Nazis”.
The definition of bad is not merely a Nazi person, and Nazism and its proponents are a particular kind of evil, not a casual bad thing. Nazi or NatFash is something else, hence Duginism, while on paper seems Russian fascism, is not the same as Nazism or its end goals in practice.
Imperial Japan and Nazi Germany were never the same as Imperial China, and Ottoman Empire was neither like Soviet states nor Anglo empire. In the end, this is false equivalence.
Then please explain the “China have been historically the main protagonists against Nazism” statement. I’m having trouble making sense of it. I agree that Russia/USSR was one of the main protagonists (if not the main one), but China?
I’m just not following.
20-30 million people each died from China and Russia during WW2, fighting the Nazism threat. This is also related to the “Black Book of Communism” lies that are often spouted to discredit the role of socialists during WW2, since Hitler managed to label Nationalist Fascism (NatFash) as National Socialism (Nat-Soc/Nazi). Hitler created the Natsoc/Nazi label to get votes from working class and differentiate themselves from monarchist conservatives, but in reality fascists were always opposite of socialists. The correct term is Nationalist Fascist, or NatFash.
The Nazis or their ideological allies in Eastern Europe never set foot in China. Did China send troops to Europe to die? Was there some little known front in central Asia that they never taught me in school? Did the Chinese employ psychic soldiers to fight against the occult Nazi threat like out of Hellboy, whose souls were promptly eaten by Cthulhu?
Russia’s a given. Everyone knows about that. I don’t dispute it. China? China didn’t fight the Nazis that I am aware of. I don’t feel like I’m alone in being unaware of that. Enlighten us.
Not sure what this means. If you’re saying that the two have conflicting ideologies, sure. Again, never knew anyone to dispute that. Even the people who make the comparisons are coming from a third and distinct ideology, which sees little functional difference between the two. They’re not equating them to be literally the same.
If you say so. I didn’t realize we were playing stupid word games where you think you’ve struck a blow for global Marxism by insisting that they should be referred to by a slightly different label, 30 years after most of the last of them died of old age.
This material might help.
Hitler creating the label Nazi in itself was always a grift to defame socialism forever in history, and this is something I took time to analyse and conclude after talking to IRL anonymous Nazis from Scotland, Ireland and UK and understanding their usage of the label and their talking points.
What I am attempting is not a stupid word game, but an attempt to correct the oxymoron National Socialism created by a moron, to what it actually was – Nationalist Fascism. The attempt to equate socialism to fascism was purposeful and came from a mindset that believed in cutting others’ ropes for themself to climb higher, while actually never wanting to make progress. This is exactly how a regressive mindset works.