New GNOME dialog on the right:

Apple’s dialog:

They say GNOME isn’t a copy of macOS but with time it has been getting really close. I don’t think this is a bad thing however they should just admit it and then put some real effort into cloning macOS instead of the crap they’re making right now.

Here’s the thing: Apple’s design you’ll find that they carefully included an extra margin between the “Don’t Save” and “Cancel” buttons. This avoid accidental clicks on the wrong button so that people don’t lose their work when they just want to click “Cancel”.

So much for the GNOME, vision and their expert usability team :P

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    I get it that you hate this design and its obvious strong inspiration by Apple but accusing GNOME team in being lazy is too much. They created the most popular and one of the most stable DEs on Linux and their own workflow that’s similar to Apple’s but still is unique. Also when I saw that new design, I was amazed. To me it looks really great. It’s going to be a good update with accent color support (I won’t fight about it ok?) for sure. It’s just a matter of preference. Both designs are good enough technically imo.

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      I get it that you hate this design

      I don’t hate it, it looks better than what was there before, no doubts there, but at the same time they could’ve just made it better.

      All the literature on action buttons with dangerous effects tells you to add margins, accents and shades. Any design undergraduate should be aware of this, however the GNOME team totally missed it.

      It’s going to be a good update with accent color support (I won’t fight about it ok?)

      It’s funny that you mention that because…

      In macOS, you can specify an accent color to customize the appearance of your app’s buttons, selection highlighting, and sidebar glyphs. The system applies your accent color when the current value in General > Accent color preferences is multicolor. https://support.apple.com/en-mt/guide/mac-help/mh15217/mac

      I’m totally okay with “being inspired” (cloning) macOS, it should be viewed as good thing because Apple does spend a lot in UX research however lets make thing properly.

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        I don’t hate it, it looks better than what was there before, no doubts there, but at the same time they could’ve just made it better.

        How? Improving something like this is hard. Do you have any proposals?

        All the literature on action buttons with dangerous effects tells you to add margins, accents and shades. Any design undergraduate should be aware of this, however the GNOME team totally missed it.

        I’m afraid to tell you that in 2024 nobody cares about that. “Shape following feeling” in MD is the best example I can think of. Now aesthetics is preferred to make people buy (or use for free in this case) the product. People are not tech savvy. They want good looks and GNOME nailed it imo. It’s stunning. They even got me but I do care about aesthetics unfortunately. I’m a spoilt mass consumer. Eject me if you will.

        accent color

        Accent color taboo. Let’s not talk about accent color.

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          How? Improving something like this is hard. Do you have any proposals?

          I’ve submitted a fair share of UX in-depth analysis with examples and links to literature on the GNOME team blog and they tend to ignore / comment dismissingly and then remove my comments after a few weeks.

          Accent color taboo. Let’s not talk about accent color.

          Ahahaha

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            Judging from your post and replies, you look very aggressive, rude and demanding so no wonder the devs deleted your comments.

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              To be fair, he could also just be fed up after a long time being ignored for what he thinks is quite an important design decision.

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      the most popular

      Citation very much needed

      one of the most stable DEs on Linux

      Hardly, but I’m guessing you’re thinking of reliability instead. Not really surprising when it’s so stripped down that vanilla GNOME is pretty much unusable. When you extend it, in order to get a proper DE, that goes right out the window.

      That fact makes it especially funny that vanilla GNOME is by far the fattest DE around. How it manages to use up more resources than KDE is beyond me.

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        Citation very much needed

        Ubuntu, RHEL and Fedora use it as the default and they are very big distros. Idk if it’s enough but that’s what I know.

        Hardly, but I’m guessing you’re thinking of reliability instead.

        Idk. KDE was unstable for me and it always has bugs after major releases. They should test things better.

        Not really surprising when it’s so stripped down that vanilla GNOME is pretty much unusable.

        Personal opinion.

        That fact makes it especially funny that vanilla GNOME is by far the fattest DE around.

        Deepin.

        How it manages to use up more resources than KDE is beyond me.

        You have a point here. Qt is better in terms of efficiency afaik and performance is extremely important for an OS component. But hey at least it’s getting better over time.

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          Ubuntu, RHEL and Fedora use it as the default and they are very big distros. Idk if it’s enough but that’s what I know.

          I mean, that’s pretty irrelevant. If you were for example at least comparing the downloads of fedora Vs spins, that would be a beginning of something.

          Idk. KDE was unstable for me and it always has bugs after major releases. They should test things better.

          1. In case it wasn’t obvious: stability is not reliability

          2. So does GNOME, especially when you have a lot of extensions

          3. KDE is pretty crap in both regards

          Personal opinion.

          Is that why every distro comes with vanilla GNOME? Oh wait…

          But hey at least it’s getting better over time.

          Meanwhile over the years KDE got lighter than GNOME while constantly piling on features.

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        How it manages to use up more resources than KDE is beyond me.

        It can happen when you have to develop all your technology on your own instead of relying on the work of a hundred-million dollar company that does the heavy lifting for you.