Following this banned content and this discussion: provide that “fascism-communism equivalence” and “horse-shoe theory” serve only to legitimize fascists, would you (@all) find clearer adding to the policy that this kind of content is not welcome on this instance?
keeping this here because someone said i shouldn’t have deleted it, frankly i deleted it because i don’t really wanna argue about this, i only talk about politics in a community i’ve been in for upwards of 2 years, and even there i don’t enjoy discussing it. I don’t even know why i made this comment in the first place. And I understand this platform has a lot of leftists (probably a vast majority) and they wouldn’t like nazis or whatever here. So… Please ignore what I said. Pre-deletion message is below this.
Yeah, like is said on https://minds.com:
That is, banning people who disagree with you is worthless and will not change their minds, and like you said, will probably make their negative belief stronger.
I heard about that site from Daryl Davis, I think on his episode of The Joe Rogan Experience (I don’t usually watch him, I’ve seen like 2 vids from him, daryl davis and edward snowden)
If you don’t know who that is, he’s the black musician who converted 200+ KKK members (some indirectly, some as a direct result of him talking to them over a long period of time)
I have a feeling the viability of someone being able to do this on a consistent basis is way overblown. One issue is that if it was viable, a movement like this would have gained serious momentum. I don’t like using this argument because it discredits pioneers of new movements, but it is worth mentioning because Nazism, neo-Nazism, the KKK, etc. are not new problems. They have existed for centuries and attempts to tolerate them, coddle them, and change their minds has done nothing but allowed them to fester.
In fact, the rhetoric of Daryl Davis is nothing new. It is a pattern that has that bared its face again and again with the liberal whitewashing and fetishisation of non-violence with MLK, Gandhi, Nelson Mandela, etc. We are asked to use the power of friendship and love while fascists arm themselves and at no point have any intention of having a discussion in good faith.
When someone has an upside down understanding of history where they say that Communist and Fascists are the same, it is better not to engage them. Let them spew their shit elsewhere.
edit: you shouldn’t have deleted your post. i think it was a good point but i just wanted to present my thoughts on it.
Okay, I just undeleted it.
I thought this platform allowed you to view deleted comments though.
I usually don’t get involved in politics outside of a select discord server where I’ve known the community for around 2 years. So when I saw a reply I just deleted the comment because I didn’t really want to argue.
And that edit explains why I got multiple emails about this, I assumed they were replies to your reply though.
I believe this is only if the moderators remove your comment. If you delete your own comments/posts/account, they do not appear in the mod log.
Hmm okay. I guess since there’s an undelete button I assumed that meant that it was still accessible. But I guess that’s probably not the best idea in case they shared personal info they don’t want out there.
That is a faulty premise to begin with. Social media platforms are not a Daryl Davis situation. The scope is not about changing the minds of the few facist users this way. You certainly will not accomplish this by carving out a wide berth for them to operate. In giving them unfettered theater to normalize their propaganda they will radicalize far more than you can change the minds of a few Klan members. It’s a net negative. That’s probably one of their most effective MO. It’s the really the essence of what we’ve been observing on the web.
There’s no need to dance around these silly charades because it’s just another pry bar.
If someone wants to take it upon themselves to personally chat with a neo-Nazi and be a Daryl Davis then that’s their prerogative. If you snoop their private communications and banish them off the internet entirely then maybe we start to have an equivalence to what you propose.
Yeah, the key to what daryl did was probably that it was in person and he has a lot of patience, and it was done over a long period of time.
Anyway, please ignore what I said earlier, I don’t really like discussing politics and I don’t really know why I made that comment in the first place. I deleted it for that reason but undeleted it after u/ksynwa told me i shouldn’t have deleted it. I should have added something to the original comment when I did that.