There’s too much content to pay attention to even when you block all tankies and other extremists. My blocklist is around 550 users long and there’s no shortage of content - just a slightly better noise to signal ratio.
100% of existing users block unpleasant posters. New user joins. New user sees hateful/ignorant comments with zero contradictions in replies. New user assumes many existing users are hateful/ignorant, when in reality it’s a small muted minority. New user leaves never to return.
Someone should make an extension that cross references account names with ones on the various defederated instances, whenever there’s a comment like that, I check Hexbear for their username, and literally every single time I have so far they have an account there too
That particular guy is an OG first wave r/ChapoTrapHouse banning refugee (the reason it exists, its original name was Chapo.Chat), Hexbear account is 4 years old with over 3k comments
Yeah, I’m sorry to say that’s looking more and more like the case. Lemmygrad and Hexbear were the most obvious and have been either defederated or blocked by most, and it seems like the users have made their way to ML.
I was just about to look into what options I had for blocking all users from the ML instance automatically, and I’m sure others are considering the same.
For your edification, the people spouting pro-CCP propaganda like those in this post are called “tankies”.
ML is a lot better than Hexbear and Lemmygrad. There are certainly some tankies in there such as the user above but if you visit their communities its mostly just lefties.
I’d argue the .ml stance on the israeli Genocide on Gaza and non censorship of articles debunking Hasbara was a lot more correct than the .world one especially at the start of the Genocide. Even now only mainstream Western outlets are condoned no matter how well sourced articles are.
If the user above posted the same take on .ml he wouldn’t be showered in updoots either. There sure are some outlier users but .ml and Hexbear/Lemmygrad are completely incomparable.
That those comments have half as many downvotes as upvotes doesn’t inspire great confidence. My point stands - ML is much better than Hexbear and Lemmygrad - but that’s not a high point of comparison.
The comment chain is claiming that Russia would be more trigger happy than israel to start WW3 which is a pretty lib take even I wouldn’t agree with. It having downvotes is not strange, though I did not personally downvote them.
But the most important point is that they are not getting censored, banned. Which really dispels the illusion that it’s just a giant tankie fest over there.
The reason most people seem to catch bans from .ml is because they go full lib mode when they see something that conflicts with some WMD propaganda they’ve been consuming for the past 25 years and call anything to the left of them a tankie.
ML is more defined by anti imperialism but doesn’t magically condone it when China or Russia do the imperialism as well. You can find some actual tankies in there but they’re usually swimming in down votes. The average lib that finds out that America hasn’t exactly been the good guys for the past 50+ years just seems to think that everyone criticizing it is a tankie.
Lemmygrad and Hexbear have such an anti West boner that they are often willing to close their eyes and ignore the faults of parties. They are not really comparable.
I agree but I think it’s too bad that someone needs to choose between deleting a comment to stop the spread of lies and propaganda and the other option of leaving it in place so people can see it. I think it’s helpful to see that people like this exist, it helps you understand why people are opposed to these types of people and who is being called a tankie in a negative way.
Here I thought I was condemning it as unambiguously a genocide and advocating for the complete removal of military aid from Israel. Silly me. I’m glad you’re here to correct me on what I believe.
Israel has lately left very little ambiguity in their actions, though. Killing civilians trying to get aid packages is quite literally forcing people to starve to death.
Man, I’ve been on both since the beginning. I was calling the Palestinian genocide a genocide before October 7th and the current, heightened phase of the genocide. I’ve been advocating removal of military aid from Israel since I was in my damn teens.
Dude why are you digging your grave deeper like this? You are losing your cool and looking a fool. When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me. Shall I go on? No, I shan’t.
Even the Chinese government says a couple hundred civilians died.“At the end of June 1989, the Chinese government said 200 civilians and several dozen security personnel had died. Other estimates have ranged from hundreds to many thousands. In 2017, newly released UK documents revealed that a diplomatic cable from then British Ambassador to China, Sir Alan Donald, had said that 10,000 had died.”
I honestly don’t know what your goal is with that post but I choose to believe the many sources (Chinese and international) that show a different history than what you’d have me believe. At least hundreds died with thousands more injured, and that’s the low end of the estimates.
.ml is a shit hole instance. Everyone rightfully ridiculing this post risks getting preemptively banned on ml because their dipshit tankie mods are that soft.
Hey! You’re the same AH trying to get people to not vote Biden, because you’re such an enlightened Democrat. Didn’t take long for your true colors to start showing lol. Western narratives lol… Okay.
Still not sure if your a Russian/Chinese national trying to act like an American, a piss poor troll, or just a truly uneducated bigot. What next mate, you want to start denying the Holocaust was real? 😂
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Oh wow a .ml account denying Chinese atrocities how rare oh my gosh.
I like when they speak up because then I can tag them “Certified Tankie™” on sync
The block button also works great.
I don’t like to miss out on the conversation. But keeping labels makes it easier to call out idiots
There’s too much content to pay attention to even when you block all tankies and other extremists. My blocklist is around 550 users long and there’s no shortage of content - just a slightly better noise to signal ratio.
One scenario that worries me:
100% of existing users block unpleasant posters. New user joins. New user sees hateful/ignorant comments with zero contradictions in replies. New user assumes many existing users are hateful/ignorant, when in reality it’s a small muted minority. New user leaves never to return.
Potential partial solution/community contribution:
Resilient users in excellent health (🧠) block no one, replying to lampoon jerks as necessary.
Oh I have posts from .ml and several others blocked on here. The comments I don’t mind
Someone should make an extension that cross references account names with ones on the various defederated instances, whenever there’s a comment like that, I check Hexbear for their username, and literally every single time I have so far they have an account there too
That particular guy is an OG first wave r/ChapoTrapHouse banning refugee (the reason it exists, its original name was Chapo.Chat), Hexbear account is 4 years old with over 3k comments
How do you tag them?
In sync for lemmy, go to a person’s profile, and scroll the options to the right until you see the tag option
Thank you.
I’m starting to feel like I made my account on the wrong instance if those people are the average
Yeah.
Yeah, I’m sorry to say that’s looking more and more like the case. Lemmygrad and Hexbear were the most obvious and have been either defederated or blocked by most, and it seems like the users have made their way to ML.
I was just about to look into what options I had for blocking all users from the ML instance automatically, and I’m sure others are considering the same.
For your edification, the people spouting pro-CCP propaganda like those in this post are called “tankies”.
ML is a lot better than Hexbear and Lemmygrad. There are certainly some tankies in there such as the user above but if you visit their communities its mostly just lefties.
On one hand, yes.
On the other hand, that’s a low bar.
I’d argue the .ml stance on the israeli Genocide on Gaza and non censorship of articles debunking Hasbara was a lot more correct than the .world one especially at the start of the Genocide. Even now only mainstream Western outlets are condoned no matter how well sourced articles are.
If the user above posted the same take on .ml he wouldn’t be showered in updoots either. There sure are some outlier users but .ml and Hexbear/Lemmygrad are completely incomparable.
I can go to .ml right now and see comments like these, just the most insane tankie takes!!:
That those comments have half as many downvotes as upvotes doesn’t inspire great confidence. My point stands - ML is much better than Hexbear and Lemmygrad - but that’s not a high point of comparison.
The comment chain is claiming that Russia would be more trigger happy than israel to start WW3 which is a pretty lib take even I wouldn’t agree with. It having downvotes is not strange, though I did not personally downvote them.
But the most important point is that they are not getting censored, banned. Which really dispels the illusion that it’s just a giant tankie fest over there.
The reason most people seem to catch bans from .ml is because they go full lib mode when they see something that conflicts with some WMD propaganda they’ve been consuming for the past 25 years and call anything to the left of them a tankie.
ML is more defined by anti imperialism but doesn’t magically condone it when China or Russia do the imperialism as well. You can find some actual tankies in there but they’re usually swimming in down votes. The average lib that finds out that America hasn’t exactly been the good guys for the past 50+ years just seems to think that everyone criticizing it is a tankie.
Lemmygrad and Hexbear have such an anti West boner that they are often willing to close their eyes and ignore the faults of parties. They are not really comparable.
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Do you prefer black or brown boot? Or some other? Can you give me a top 5?
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Atrocity denial is not welcome here, and neither are the people who engage in it.
I agree but I think it’s too bad that someone needs to choose between deleting a comment to stop the spread of lies and propaganda and the other option of leaving it in place so people can see it. I think it’s helpful to see that people like this exist, it helps you understand why people are opposed to these types of people and who is being called a tankie in a negative way.
Agree, but also deleted comments are in the modlog, easy to read them
Also, a lot of apps allow you to read a deleted/removed comment by clicking on the reply button.
Says the dude who habitually justifies American involvement in the genocide of the Palestinian people.
BeCaUsE tRuMp!
Here I thought I was condemning it as unambiguously a genocide and advocating for the complete removal of military aid from Israel. Silly me. I’m glad you’re here to correct me on what I believe.
Israel has lately left very little ambiguity in their actions, though. Killing civilians trying to get aid packages is quite literally forcing people to starve to death.
putting aside that i don’t fully agree on that:
but he said he saw it unambiguously? what’s the Point of your Comment?
The point is he can’t read.
Happy you’ve turned that tide mate!
Man, I’ve been on both since the beginning. I was calling the Palestinian genocide a genocide before October 7th and the current, heightened phase of the genocide. I’ve been advocating removal of military aid from Israel since I was in my damn teens.
Ah…
Dude why are you digging your grave deeper like this? You are losing your cool and looking a fool. When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me. Shall I go on? No, I shan’t.
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Even the Chinese government says a couple hundred civilians died. “At the end of June 1989, the Chinese government said 200 civilians and several dozen security personnel had died. Other estimates have ranged from hundreds to many thousands. In 2017, newly released UK documents revealed that a diplomatic cable from then British Ambassador to China, Sir Alan Donald, had said that 10,000 had died.”
I honestly don’t know what your goal is with that post but I choose to believe the many sources (Chinese and international) that show a different history than what you’d have me believe. At least hundreds died with thousands more injured, and that’s the low end of the estimates.
Jfc, imagine loving the taste of boot this much… 🤮
https://tiananmen-trolls.doublethinklab.org/en/#
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BING CHILLING
Are you being paid, really fucking gullible, or just plain evil?
.ml is a shit hole instance. Everyone rightfully ridiculing this post risks getting preemptively banned on ml because their dipshit tankie mods are that soft.
Hey! You’re the same AH trying to get people to not vote Biden, because you’re such an enlightened Democrat. Didn’t take long for your true colors to start showing lol. Western narratives lol… Okay.
Still not sure if your a Russian/Chinese national trying to act like an American, a piss poor troll, or just a truly uneducated bigot. What next mate, you want to start denying the Holocaust was real? 😂
Go fuck yourself.
Typical lies from Lemmy.ml.
Can you imagine how funny it would be if anybody actually believed this take?
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Die free or live in bondage.