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  • An important point that hasn’t been raised yet is that capitalism is not optional if you live in a capitalist country. If you want to eat, you need money to buy food – at least this holds for the large majority of people. However, the software or platforms that one uses are optional. Sure, they might be important to participate in, but you still don’t starve if you don’t use them.

    In my opinion, this breaks the whole analogy.

    Still, I think it was an interesting idea to consider.







  • nopetoLemmy Support[this instance] "No horse-shoe theory" policy
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    4 years ago

    Thanks for clarifying. I wanted to make sure that we are actually focusing on the same question here.

    I very much disagree with the view that this is a selective political illiteracy and I also don’t think it’s constructive to blame people for not knowing something, even less calling them lazy. The question is, how do people react after being confronted with a clear refutation of their view.

    In my experience the horse-shoe theory is mostly brought up by center-right and not far right people. Especially, people who bring up this theory (again, in my experience) often consider themselves to be against facism. I believe that banning these people will have the opposite effect of what you want to have.

    My experience regarding this topic is almost exclusively non-internet related; so, that might be the point why we disagree, as we draw our experience from different places where a different group of people raise this theory.




  • I think there are three different discussions in this thread that are mixed:

    1. Was the ban justified?

    I guess whoever read his/her posts in the whole thread, agrees that this is a clear “yes”.

    1. Shall we add something to the policy that clarifies more precisely what is allowed and what isn’t?

    I guess that there is a danger of making the CoC too long in the long run such that nobody will read it anymore, but I personally don’t have any strong opinion on that.

    1. Should the horse-shoe theory be banned on this instance?

    I think that this should be answered with a “no” and I’ll elaborate why I think so. While the horse-shoe theory is often used by anti-leftists whose only aim is to de-legitimize the left, I believe that it is also often used by people who simply heard this theory and never particularly reflected about it. While there were without any doubt cruel actions done in the name of communism/anarchism, some people simply disregard that this cruelty is at the heart of the far right while it might just occur in some left “scenarios” (completely disregarding the cruelty of the “center” that we for example currently see in the mediterranean). If you are not “well educated” (whatever that should mean in this context) about political theories, you might make this mistake and hopefully you change your mind when someone calls you out on this mistake. If people, after having been called out on it, still continue to raise the horse-shoe theory, then this anyway falls under trolling in my opinion and there is enough reason left to ban them. So I don’t see why banning people just because of naming the horse-shore theory is necessary in the first place. In short, I believe that facists will anyway show their face in another way than just using the horse-shoe theory (like saying that the nazis were leftist, because they were “socialist”), thus people should be called out on it but not banned.


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    4 years ago

    Very good point, and I agree regarding the explanatory power of “Guns, Germs, and Steel” which is only up to a certain point in history.

    Also, thanks for the reminder to read “Why Nations Fail”.


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    4 years ago

    Let me throw in two more books:

    • Maus by Art Spiegelman: Incredibly touching comic written by the son of an Auschwitz survivor about his father.
    • Guns, Germs, and Steel by Jared Diamond: A book that tries to analyze why particular parts of the world are poorer while others are richer using biology (e.g., which animals could be domesticated) and geography (e.g., what effect did erosion have on early agricultural societies).