President Vladimir Putin said on Tuesday that Russia would be prepared to talk to Ukraine, the United States and Europe about the future of Ukraine if they wanted to, but that Moscow would defend its…
The west appears to have exactly the same policy they have had the entire time also - and that is: leave the sovereign territory of the other nation, and there will be peace.
And when Russia points out its really conspicuous how this is a standard only ever applied to them?
Russia says its their territory, Ukraine says its there’s. At this point there are literally only three options.
Recognize Russia claim, cede the land, end the war and ukraine can go forward with the territory they have now. (Maybe they can even think about allowing opposition political parties and elections at some point.)
Don’t recognize Russia claim, keep doing whatbwere doing and, as the west loves to say “fight to the last ukrainian”. Then there will be nobody left in Ukraine and Russia can take all of it (or Ukraine like, takes off weights and reveals it actually has more capacity to fight then they’ve been letting on for the whole counter offensive)
Other countries back Ukraines claim and get directly involved in fighting Russia in a hot war, putin, Xi, and Biden grt to fight over the nuclear ashes.
Which of those would you prefer, because the solution I keep seeing from liberals “Russia decides to stop for no apparent reason, gives up goes home and gives all the land back” is not actually a realistic or even feasible outcome.
So I really want to know, which of the three real world options would you prefer, and again “I wave a magic wand and Russia gives up and goes home” is not one of them.
More whataboutism. You can’t use one atrocity to justify another, otherwise you’re justifying them all. That would be atrocious.
Why have you ruled out 1 option yet didn’t rule out Ukraine doing exactly what you’re saying Russia can’t do? Seems like you’ve been brainwashed.
I dont know what the answer is; but I do know that a million dead Russians and Ukrainians is an awful thing. I also know that Russia started the military action and could at any time return to its own territory and stop the dying. If Russia suddenly has some legitimate territorial claim then it should settle it through diplomacy, not with the blood of millions.
I also think it’s up to Ukraine to choose what it does, and everyone should support that decision. Currently only the west seems to support it…and because Russia hasn’t had its way its throwing its toys out the pram and trying to settle it with the blood of millions of innocents.
Just because you made up a new word for hypocrisyndoesnt mean you’re not being a hypocrite.
Love that liberals somehow convinced themselves that by saying “you pointing out my hypocrisy absolved me” works on anybody but them.
I dont know what the answer is;
Yea we know, that’s kind of the entire point of our argument is that you don’t have any solutions other than literally Russia gets bored and goes home for absolutely no reason. It’s also why we keep saying you aren’t serious people who are even dealing with the realities of the situation.
but I do know that a million dead Russians and Ukrainians is an awful thing.
No you clearly don’t because you get super pissed whenever somebody suggest you stop sending people to die for no reason.
I also know that Russia started the military action and could at any time return to its own territory and stop the dying
So literally right back to magically thinking again.
I know that if a super hot movie star started dating me that would be the end of my “not having a famous celebrity girlfriend” problem.
But the same question applies to both scenarios, why in a million years would that ever possibly happen.
So, once again, after trying to have a discussion about the actual realites of the situation liberals go with ignoring reality, saying it’s bad when Russia does it but you can’t point out we do it all the time, and the solution is for Russia to just give up on a war they’re winning and cede territory they say is there’s for LITERALLY NO REASON OTHER THAN MAKING DUMBSHIT HYPOCRITICAL LIBERALS MORE SMUG. A goal every ukraine flag emoji account I’ve ever seen is willing to sacrifice every single ukranina life to accomplish.
Whataboutism isn’t absolution and I have nothing to be absolved of. I don’t defend war mongering on behalf of any country. Unlike the replies in this thread.
Being against the Russian invasion of a sovereign nation does not make me a Liberal, I’m sorry that doesn’t align with your narrative.
you get super pissed whenever somebody suggest you stop sending people to die for no reason
What’s wrong with you? What makes you think I’ve sent anyone to die? For any reason? And got pissed about it?? Do you think I’m the Ukrainian president or something?
Russia gets bored and goes home for absolutely no reason
Yet another example of making shit up to fit your narrative. You could equally frame it as “Russia realises that invading another country is wrong and withdraws”. Both as equally as unlikely as any of your suggestions. In all liklihood there will be some other solution that allows the main parties to save face and hopefully stops the killing. I’m sure you want people to stop dying too.
As for your last paragraph of barely cohesive babble - none of that is remotely accurate. I’m not a Liberal, I’m not as naive as some people to think I can suggest or predict a solution, I don’t think you “can’t” point out atrocities by the west - I’m just saying “but they did it first” is a shit reason to kill 1m people.
And why on earth would I need to choose one of your solutions to this monstrous invasion? My viewpoint is that the imperialists should go back to their own country and stop butchering civilians. I don’t give a shit why they do it. I’d rather we got there yesterday and less people died…but if the only way to stop the aggressive and unjustified invasion is to drive them back militarily then I guess that’s what has to be done. Because your options are shit.
Lmao ohh no one slight and obvious typo totally invalidates what I said.
I’m done reading these page long works of fiction. You need to chose one of my options because those are the only ones that there is a greater than 0% chance of happening.
Or you can keep screaming “Russia should abandon a two year long military campaign now that they’re winning to appease whiny liberals”
As usual we’ll be over here continuing to say “hey look it’s exactly what we said was going to happen” while you tell us we don’t know what we’re talking about.
but if the only way to stop the aggressive and unjustified invasion is to drive them back militarily then I guess that’s what has to be done.
So what you’re saying is that you are a war mongering donkey brained lib but you’re slightly embarrassed about it? Really you should be more embarrassed, you’re pathetic
Good luck with that loser, your little nazi pals have already lost
And when Russia points out its really conspicuous how this is a standard only ever applied to them?
Russia says its their territory, Ukraine says its there’s. At this point there are literally only three options.
Recognize Russia claim, cede the land, end the war and ukraine can go forward with the territory they have now. (Maybe they can even think about allowing opposition political parties and elections at some point.)
Don’t recognize Russia claim, keep doing whatbwere doing and, as the west loves to say “fight to the last ukrainian”. Then there will be nobody left in Ukraine and Russia can take all of it (or Ukraine like, takes off weights and reveals it actually has more capacity to fight then they’ve been letting on for the whole counter offensive)
Other countries back Ukraines claim and get directly involved in fighting Russia in a hot war, putin, Xi, and Biden grt to fight over the nuclear ashes.
Which of those would you prefer, because the solution I keep seeing from liberals “Russia decides to stop for no apparent reason, gives up goes home and gives all the land back” is not actually a realistic or even feasible outcome.
So I really want to know, which of the three real world options would you prefer, and again “I wave a magic wand and Russia gives up and goes home” is not one of them.
More whataboutism. You can’t use one atrocity to justify another, otherwise you’re justifying them all. That would be atrocious.
Why have you ruled out 1 option yet didn’t rule out Ukraine doing exactly what you’re saying Russia can’t do? Seems like you’ve been brainwashed.
I dont know what the answer is; but I do know that a million dead Russians and Ukrainians is an awful thing. I also know that Russia started the military action and could at any time return to its own territory and stop the dying. If Russia suddenly has some legitimate territorial claim then it should settle it through diplomacy, not with the blood of millions.
I also think it’s up to Ukraine to choose what it does, and everyone should support that decision. Currently only the west seems to support it…and because Russia hasn’t had its way its throwing its toys out the pram and trying to settle it with the blood of millions of innocents.
Just because you made up a new word for hypocrisyndoesnt mean you’re not being a hypocrite.
Love that liberals somehow convinced themselves that by saying “you pointing out my hypocrisy absolved me” works on anybody but them.
Yea we know, that’s kind of the entire point of our argument is that you don’t have any solutions other than literally Russia gets bored and goes home for absolutely no reason. It’s also why we keep saying you aren’t serious people who are even dealing with the realities of the situation.
No you clearly don’t because you get super pissed whenever somebody suggest you stop sending people to die for no reason.
So literally right back to magically thinking again.
I know that if a super hot movie star started dating me that would be the end of my “not having a famous celebrity girlfriend” problem.
But the same question applies to both scenarios, why in a million years would that ever possibly happen.
So, once again, after trying to have a discussion about the actual realites of the situation liberals go with ignoring reality, saying it’s bad when Russia does it but you can’t point out we do it all the time, and the solution is for Russia to just give up on a war they’re winning and cede territory they say is there’s for LITERALLY NO REASON OTHER THAN MAKING DUMBSHIT HYPOCRITICAL LIBERALS MORE SMUG. A goal every ukraine flag emoji account I’ve ever seen is willing to sacrifice every single ukranina life to accomplish.
Speaking of new words.
Whataboutism isn’t absolution and I have nothing to be absolved of. I don’t defend war mongering on behalf of any country. Unlike the replies in this thread.
Being against the Russian invasion of a sovereign nation does not make me a Liberal, I’m sorry that doesn’t align with your narrative.
What’s wrong with you? What makes you think I’ve sent anyone to die? For any reason? And got pissed about it?? Do you think I’m the Ukrainian president or something?
Yet another example of making shit up to fit your narrative. You could equally frame it as “Russia realises that invading another country is wrong and withdraws”. Both as equally as unlikely as any of your suggestions. In all liklihood there will be some other solution that allows the main parties to save face and hopefully stops the killing. I’m sure you want people to stop dying too.
As for your last paragraph of barely cohesive babble - none of that is remotely accurate. I’m not a Liberal, I’m not as naive as some people to think I can suggest or predict a solution, I don’t think you “can’t” point out atrocities by the west - I’m just saying “but they did it first” is a shit reason to kill 1m people.
And why on earth would I need to choose one of your solutions to this monstrous invasion? My viewpoint is that the imperialists should go back to their own country and stop butchering civilians. I don’t give a shit why they do it. I’d rather we got there yesterday and less people died…but if the only way to stop the aggressive and unjustified invasion is to drive them back militarily then I guess that’s what has to be done. Because your options are shit.
Lmao ohh no one slight and obvious typo totally invalidates what I said.
I’m done reading these page long works of fiction. You need to chose one of my options because those are the only ones that there is a greater than 0% chance of happening.
Or you can keep screaming “Russia should abandon a two year long military campaign now that they’re winning to appease whiny liberals”
As usual we’ll be over here continuing to say “hey look it’s exactly what we said was going to happen” while you tell us we don’t know what we’re talking about.
So what you’re saying is that you are a war mongering donkey brained lib but you’re slightly embarrassed about it? Really you should be more embarrassed, you’re pathetic
Good luck with that loser, your little nazi pals have already lost
This you bro?
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Go back to reddit dork
You think there’s still a chance for
to win anything, you aren’t a serious person and don’t deserve more than my worst
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smh making puns at a time like this…
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It’s very obviously a pun. The only question is if it was intentional.