• el_abuelo
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    More whataboutism. You can’t use one atrocity to justify another, otherwise you’re justifying them all. That would be atrocious.

    Why have you ruled out 1 option yet didn’t rule out Ukraine doing exactly what you’re saying Russia can’t do? Seems like you’ve been brainwashed.

    I dont know what the answer is; but I do know that a million dead Russians and Ukrainians is an awful thing. I also know that Russia started the military action and could at any time return to its own territory and stop the dying. If Russia suddenly has some legitimate territorial claim then it should settle it through diplomacy, not with the blood of millions.

    I also think it’s up to Ukraine to choose what it does, and everyone should support that decision. Currently only the west seems to support it…and because Russia hasn’t had its way its throwing its toys out the pram and trying to settle it with the blood of millions of innocents.

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      Just because you made up a new word for hypocrisyndoesnt mean you’re not being a hypocrite.

      Love that liberals somehow convinced themselves that by saying “you pointing out my hypocrisy absolved me” works on anybody but them.

      I dont know what the answer is;

      Yea we know, that’s kind of the entire point of our argument is that you don’t have any solutions other than literally Russia gets bored and goes home for absolutely no reason. It’s also why we keep saying you aren’t serious people who are even dealing with the realities of the situation.

      but I do know that a million dead Russians and Ukrainians is an awful thing.

      No you clearly don’t because you get super pissed whenever somebody suggest you stop sending people to die for no reason.

      I also know that Russia started the military action and could at any time return to its own territory and stop the dying

      So literally right back to magically thinking again.

      I know that if a super hot movie star started dating me that would be the end of my “not having a famous celebrity girlfriend” problem.

      But the same question applies to both scenarios, why in a million years would that ever possibly happen.

      So, once again, after trying to have a discussion about the actual realites of the situation liberals go with ignoring reality, saying it’s bad when Russia does it but you can’t point out we do it all the time, and the solution is for Russia to just give up on a war they’re winning and cede territory they say is there’s for LITERALLY NO REASON OTHER THAN MAKING DUMBSHIT HYPOCRITICAL LIBERALS MORE SMUG. A goal every ukraine flag emoji account I’ve ever seen is willing to sacrifice every single ukranina life to accomplish.

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        hypocrisyndoesnt

        Speaking of new words.

        Whataboutism isn’t absolution and I have nothing to be absolved of. I don’t defend war mongering on behalf of any country. Unlike the replies in this thread.

        Being against the Russian invasion of a sovereign nation does not make me a Liberal, I’m sorry that doesn’t align with your narrative.

        you get super pissed whenever somebody suggest you stop sending people to die for no reason

        What’s wrong with you? What makes you think I’ve sent anyone to die? For any reason? And got pissed about it?? Do you think I’m the Ukrainian president or something?

        Russia gets bored and goes home for absolutely no reason

        Yet another example of making shit up to fit your narrative. You could equally frame it as “Russia realises that invading another country is wrong and withdraws”. Both as equally as unlikely as any of your suggestions. In all liklihood there will be some other solution that allows the main parties to save face and hopefully stops the killing. I’m sure you want people to stop dying too.

        As for your last paragraph of barely cohesive babble - none of that is remotely accurate. I’m not a Liberal, I’m not as naive as some people to think I can suggest or predict a solution, I don’t think you “can’t” point out atrocities by the west - I’m just saying “but they did it first” is a shit reason to kill 1m people.

        And why on earth would I need to choose one of your solutions to this monstrous invasion? My viewpoint is that the imperialists should go back to their own country and stop butchering civilians. I don’t give a shit why they do it. I’d rather we got there yesterday and less people died…but if the only way to stop the aggressive and unjustified invasion is to drive them back militarily then I guess that’s what has to be done. Because your options are shit.

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          Lmao ohh no one slight and obvious typo totally invalidates what I said.

          I’m done reading these page long works of fiction. You need to chose one of my options because those are the only ones that there is a greater than 0% chance of happening.

          Or you can keep screaming “Russia should abandon a two year long military campaign now that they’re winning to appease whiny liberals”

          As usual we’ll be over here continuing to say “hey look it’s exactly what we said was going to happen” while you tell us we don’t know what we’re talking about.

        • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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          but if the only way to stop the aggressive and unjustified invasion is to drive them back militarily then I guess that’s what has to be done.

          So what you’re saying is that you are a war mongering donkey brained lib but you’re slightly embarrassed about it? Really you should be more embarrassed, you’re pathetic

          Good luck with that loser, your little nazi pals have already lost

          This you bro?