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    It’s not a show of courage to stay at a job you’ve committed to working, nor is it boot licking. It’s plain and simple economic necessity and whether you like it or not you’re going to end up working for someone else no matter what job you have, whether it’s in healthcare, education, science, or even as an independent artist.

    It IS weak and soft to quit a job just because it places demands on your time and expectations that you’ll actually do the job during the required hours with the required professional attitude. You’re most likely never going to find a job where you have total control, can come in whenever you want, do whatever you want, don’t have to do anything to earn a paycheck… that’s a fantasy and not the reality of the world we live in.

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      Nice false dichotomy. There’s a whole spectrum of “being fairly compensated for your labor in a safe and reasonably flexible workplace” in between “barely subsistence” and “Jeff Bezos”.

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        I’m just asking, not trying to be a dick. I realize there’s a whole spectrum of being fairly compensated for your labor, but fair compensation does not equal being paid the same as Jeff Bezos just because you’re coming in on time and doing what you agreed to do in your job acceptance offer. A workplace does not have to flex to accommodate every need of the worker, nor can it if it hopes to survive.

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          I’m just asking, …

          I don’t see a question.

          … they are actually quitting toxic jobs

          There’s a qualifier there. Toxic jobs are, in my understanding, those which underpay, overwork, eschew safety, fail to respect the humanity of employees, or demand that workers put their jobs ahead of anything else. Employers all too often make far greater demands on employees than were “agreed to in [the] job acceptance offer,” unless you’re in a union, where labor is able to collectively bargain for contracts.

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            1 year ago

            By your definition, ALL jobs are toxic jobs. If you ever find a position that doesn’t expect those things of you, let me know.

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              While I disagree that not all jobs are toxic by that definition, even if they were, the implication that workers should just shut up and keep their heads down about it is the problem, and you are the hilariously wrong person being referred to in the post. Keep licking those boots, and being grateful for the taste.

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                I like the taste, it’s kind of like your mommy’s cunt, only much healthier. You can delude yourself however you wish, but it’s obvious that you are the one who is ignorant in this situation. Have a nice life, scumbag!

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      The tweet explicitly talks about Toxic Jobs though. If you still don’t understand than you have never worked for a toxic employer, so consider yourself lucky.

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        That’s truly a different matter and I do realize that toxic jobs do exist. And yes I have worked my share. One of my jobs was at a company where they had 34 people (all friends) who hired each other to be managers, and then hired me and two others to do the actual work of answering phones, taking orders, sending mailers, shipping products, doing repair work, manning the warehouse, restocking, etc etc.

        And all the managers did was order personal stuff off Amazon and have meetings about ways to motive us to work harder. So yes - I’ve been there. Most jobs are going to have elements of unfairness in them, I don’t disagree with that. That’s just a stark reality these days.

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        Go ahead and be that way and see how far you get in life. If this was a fantasy world made of unicorn farts and marshmallow fluff, being soft would make perfect sense. But it isn’t, and the real world is full of demands, unfairness, and expectations. You don’t have to meet any of them, but don’t complain about your life in a cardboard box under the overpass - because that’s on you.

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          Go ahead and be that way and see how far you get in life.

          Better things are possible. We create our world, there is no reason it has to be as uncaring as it is. And the only way to make a change for the better is to abandon your way of thinking.

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            The idea that your create your world with unfettered freedom and no restrictions is a false notion. This isn’t a world where you can do whatever you want however you want, and people will throw money at you for being that way. As nice as it would be to live a totally free life where you get paid just to be you - that isn’t the reality of human societies.

            I’m not one to balk at the notion of rocking or shaking up the status quo - god knows I’ve done my fair share of that, just today I had a volatile (and very angry) letter printed in our paper condeming book banning and the idiots who condone it - not that that will change anyone’s mind.

            But I’m saying you also have to be realistic and face the fact that no one is going to pay you to sit on your bum and play video games all day (in all likelihood). The world you want to live in is bounded by the stark facts of economic necessities and social pressures.

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              The idea that your create your world with unfettered freedom and no restrictions is a false notion.

              Good thing I didn’t say that then.

              But I’m saying you also have to be realistic and face the fact that no one is going to pay you to sit on your bum and play video games all day (in all likelihood).

              Who said anything about that?

              The world you want to live in is bounded by the stark facts of economic necessities and social pressures.

              Except economics is not “facts”, it’s a way of organising that we have the power to change. Specifically referring to economics, the world is the way that it is because some people want it to be this way, it is not a fact of nature.

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                I really could not care less, you think whatever you want to. I’ve got better things to care about.

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                  I really could not care less

                  Clearly, because you didn’t even care enough to read what I originally wrote.

                  I’ve got better things to care about.

                  Go do so then.

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        In terms of having to be on time and do what you’re expected to do, or in terms of coming in whenever you want and doing nothing and getting paid? And if it’s the latter, why would you ever leave such a job?

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          The second one, I had two hours of work, and those hours of work. Literally part of my job is stay in there and play on your pho until the machine is done. All I did to the machine was press a button and move it about 10 feet it was hand held.

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            To me that sounds kind of ideal, just stay there and do nothing but press a button and get paid. I did have an office manager job where all I was required to do was show up - because all the other employees there were part-time and most were students who went to school during the day.

            So while I was there, I did run the office (payroll, answer phones, keep the filing system, format the monthly newsletter) but most days there was nothing to do but play games on the computer. Occasionally my boss would come in and she’d take me to lunch, then tell me to go home early.

            I loved that job! But then the Board of Directors decided to dissolve the company - so - all good things do eventually come to an end.

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          As for why i don’t work there anymore, they realize they had a bunch people like me on the salary
          that they were paying way too much to do way too little, and the semiconductor markets down