If you like the ideas of the Green Party, vote for them at the local level. The fact that they don’t seem to want to govern at the local level is enough for me to ignore them as an option.
This needs to be said more than anything else.
Politics NEVER changes from the top down. You don’t elect some absolute newcomer who circumvents all the normal paths and then completely revolutionizes the country. (At least not in a stable, functioning society.) Politics in the US happens from the ground up. Not top down.
If any third party was serious about changing society, they would start at the local level. Then, after proving that they can enact meaningful change and bridge the divide between the huge political span that Americans hold, they would sweep their state elections and federal elections.
All of these pie-in-the-sky parties who think that they will win the presidency and then somehow enact society-changing legislation (_the president doesn’t make laws!!!_) are either fools or charlatans.
vote for them at the local level.
They only run in a handful of local races. I’ve lived in both a red state and a blue state- Indiana and California- in multiple districts and I have never once seen a green party candidate on the local level.
That is literally my point. Ignore them until they seem to want governance as opposed to only seeing them in national headlines tilting at windmills. It’s worthless.
If you like Stein’s platform, voting for Stein will decrease the likelihood of you ever seeing such a policy implemented. If, say, a state rep. runs on a Green platform, they would likely get my vote.
I know it was your point. I was supporting it.
Cool. I really hate the English use of “you” when “one” is really the word one wants. But when one uses “one” as opposed to “you”, one sounds crazy.
I honestly think a lot of online defensiveness arises from this construction.
I’m saying, it sounds like I’m saying “you need to do blah cuz you’re wrong about blah”, when I would prefer it to be read as reiterating my earlier point of “if one wants to see Green policies enacted, one would do well to ignore Jill Stein.”
I think you’re probably right about that.
Someone should start a community for the use of one instead of you.
Gayle McLaughlin used to be the Green Party’s best example of what they could do at the local level, until she left in 2016 to vote for Bernie Sanders. I’m fairly certain she is the outlier.
Right. I do believe that many members of the Green Party are good political options. It’s just they as a party don’t rally around them. They only seem to push for the presidency. I don’t see how they can hope to accomplish anything when they seem to shoot for the moon every four years, and only manage to spoil things.
Until I start seeing good options on the ballots from the Greens, I will just continue to hope the progressives win the dem. primaries for my local seats.
They only seem to push for the presidency
This is the key indicator and red flag that they are a clown party that isn’t serious about politics. They’re in it for the attention and the money.
They can’t run local level candidates without funding. All you do is complain instead of help.
I’m a voter, my friend. I can complain about a party all damn day. If you think that a political party is going get a dime from me before they can even convince me to vote for them, you have strange spending habits.
https://www.gp.org/featured_officeholders
They do focus on local elections, you just don’t hear about it because for the most part no one cares about local politics.
It’s not that I don’t care about local politics. You sending a link that’s relevant to other people’s local politics is completely irrelevant to me. Until the GP option is common on local ballots, not just 5 featured ones, I do not want hear about a presidential run.
By the way, I do commemorate you on your outreach and activism. You’re getting shit on in this thread, and you’re still politely getting your links out. Good work.
And they can run presidential candidates without funding??? What the heck are you talking about?
It’s easier to raise awareness of the campaign, and yes they historically get much more attention and funding.
I liked her better when I didn’t know she was Putin’s lapdog.
What happened with her? She seemed okay when she was running a few elections ago and had some support, but then went a bit off and I stopped following her.
Apparently she received some funding that was traced back to Russia and is effectively acting as a spoiler candidate.
Source: your ass
All you liberals have is a picture of her at a table with Putin as if Democrats you vote for haven’t sat at a table with Putin before
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/26/facebook-russia-trump-sanders-stein-243172
It’s a well-established fact that a part of her social media campaign was funded by the Russians.
To be clear: I’m not saying she necessarily did all this in cahoots with Putin. Russia funded divisive ads that boosted Sanders too. Regardless, Sanders quit the race whilst Stein did not. That means she acted as a spoiler candidate, where a vote for her means it’s more likely that a republican candidate wins instead, instead of the democrat candidate that a green voter is likely more aligned with. It’s an unfortunate effect of the two-party system. Nonetheless, those effects are well-known and Stein had a snowball’s chance in hell of getting elected. She knew this, but decided to remain on the ballot anyway. Her candidacy therefore did help Trump win the election.
Did you even read the article? Facebook presented no proof of this and you just take it as fact.
as if Democrats you vote for haven’t sat at a table with Putin before
Such as? Apart from, you know, people who were president and were doing it because presidents generally meet other world leaders?
https://images.app.goo.gl/mnWN3T5Rhi7Rs8Dr5
Bro holy shit she’s secretly working for Putin wow
So the U.S. Secretary of State met with a world leader?
You do know Anthony Blinken does that all the time, right?
That’s not a very good example.
No you don’t get it she’s sitting near Putin so she’s working for him
You’re pretending that meeting with Putin as part of her official duties is the same as associating with him socially.
Explain what the event was and how it proves Jill Stein is working for Putin. You can’t.
as if Democrats you vote for haven’t sat at a table with Putin before
For example?
https://images.app.goo.gl/mnWN3T5Rhi7Rs8Dr5
OMG she’s a Putin puppet you see that??
Her job at this time was to lead the foreign relations of the US. This job entails meeting many years of state who the US has serious disagreement with. It is a part of the job. This is not at all the same as going to dinner for fun
No you don’t get it, look how close they are, the closer they are the more corrupt
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We need ranked choice voting.
We certainly do, but you wouldn’t catch me voting for that Russian stooge after everything that went down in 2016.
So vote for the candidate that supports ranked choice voting.
The federal government doesn’t control elections. You handle that at the state (or county/parish/whatever) level. At least here in Oregon, people can bring measures to the ballot by petition rather than waiting for the legislature to do anything about it, and given two party monopoly, they aren’t going to do anything about it for you.
Support and donate to a party that does support ranked choice voting and they’ll be able to run state level candidates
I don’t think it’s going to matter what party supports RCV. Once it’s the law of your area, candidates will be running in an RCV election whether they supported it or not.
How will RCV be implemented in states without ballot measures? Have to vote for a party that will implement it.
So the Dems then, their voting rights policy has moved towards at the very least making it much easier to switch to a PR system of any kind.
voting rights policy
The John Lewis Voting Rights Advancement Act has literally nothing to do with ranked choice voting, you are talking out of your ass.
There was more than one voting rights related bill ya nonce.
Go ahead and enlighten us
I mean, GREEN does stand for Getting Republicans Elected Every November.
Remember when Jill Stein helped elect Donald Trump?
Dobbs remembers!
Fuck off Jill
Not this shit again. Our country literally might not survive another Donald Trump presidency, which is what you’re helping happen by supporting a 3rd-party candidate when we have a 2-party system.
- Keep Trump and his goons from taking power
- Vote local. This is where things like ranked-choice voting and reproductive rights are created and have impact
- When it’s not “first past the post”, vote for whoever you want, guilt-free! At this point, there’s no such thing as a spoiler candidate…
It’s called priorities.
Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos!
I voted but Sanjaya, but that’s only because the ballot was confusing.
I don’t believe there is any way Biden will be re-elected. If for no other reason when he finally dies of old age who would want kamala running the show.
This is as bad a take as people saying there’s no way he can lose re-election. Pro or against, betting POTUS (who has the best healthcare in the world) will die in the next 4 years is the longest of bets. Also, no one votes based on who the successor might be. Lastly, he’s healthier than Trump for fuck’s sake…
Dude is like 80. Math doesn’t lie and the best doctors in the world can’t stop time. Statistically it’s time to dig a hole. He won’t be re-elected, but if he were there’s no way he’s got another 4 years left kicking dirt.
the best doctors in the world can’t stop time
Ok but life expectancy literally directly correlates with the quality of your healthcare
Understood. He’s already 8 years past the average life expectancy of a American man. The writing is on the wall.
He can, and possibly will, pick a new running mate.
Never forget that Jill Stein was at the same event and at the same table as Putin and that traitor Flynn
We need a Green Party in the US but this ain’t it.
We need ranked choice or approval voting before third parties actually have a chance.
How are you going to get that by voting for people who don’t support it?
Ballot measures. Plenty of places have done it this way.
Half of the states in the US don’t have ballot measures.
Dems literally tried to pass a law that would incentivize transitioning to it but ok.
Why let facts get in the way of a good “both sides same!”
Dems literally tried to pass a law that would incentivize transitioning to it
Source?
I used to hear people complain that Stein sat at a table with Putin and I assumed it was at a charity event or state dinner but it turns out she was a special guest for the 10th anniversary of the Russian state funded TV propaganda network RT in Moscow.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/guess-who-came-dinner-flynn-putin-n742696
Again? How much did Putin offer her this time?
For a stand up gal like her? At least 1 dollar
Wow, her chance of winning is so high. And won’t tip the results toward the right wing at all And pigs have wings
Something something Russian check is in the mail Jill.
Totally not running as a spoiler, nahhh. Not good ol Jill Spoiler Stein! She just wants you to Send A Message™ (at an incredibly important time that has lasting repercussions if you actually follow through.)
Here’s an idea, if you actually gave a shit Jill, why not lead the charge for ranked choice voting!!! Put your damn face all over the media when it’s not an election year so you can actually push for positive change. At least then you’d stand a chance and people could actually vote for you! But no, that’s not the intent. The intent is to syphon votes from Democrats again.
Her last campaign went heavy on ranked choice (as all green party candidates have been) but the green party has to run candidates to retain ballot access and therefore retain members. Campaigns are also a great way to promote issues ignored by major candidates (such as rcv) but the press has not been kind to third parties since ross perot so its not a surprise most people are unfamiliar with green party platforms.
in 2023 post covid her tepid vaccine skepticism seems like some major baggage (along with 2016s brutal coverage) and I wouldn’t be surprised if she was more picking up jimmy dore style dumbass voters this time around and less acting as a spoiler. Her reputation is so toxic at this point that it does seem like the green party is throwing democrats a bone here.
Green Party will always run a candidate. Just be thankful their candidate is the charmless husk of a moron that is Jill Stein.
Useful idiot.
This is implying Jill Stein doesn’t know she is helping Republicans with her failed 3rd party run.
Girl is getting paid to help them for sure.
She had a successful career as a physician so no, you’re making that up. Anyone who is saying she has money that’s where it came from. You all have no evidence she’s getting Russian money, it’s pathetic.
Sorry… are you saying that doctors all feel they’re rich enough and don’t ever lust for more money?
Where’s your evidence?
My evidence of what? I asked if that’s what you were saying.
Evidence that Jill Stein is taking money from Putin, it’s a ridiculous claim with no evidence.
As someone else mentioned, Jill is a great Green party candidate for Democrats because she sucks. She’s not that young, has Russian baggage, and isn’t the new face that could make the party more popular. The philosopher dude, West, seemed a bit more dangerous, but Stein being their nominee drills in the fact that there are no viable 3rd parties. The real strategy has been that of the DSA, where they promote their own candidates within the two party system. It’s both realistic, and far more effective than throwing your vote away.
The only people who will vote for a known spoiler like Jill Stein are to far gone to have really been potential Biden voters.
You mean the Russian puppet Jill Stein? I’m pretty sure the Republicans are already doing that one.
Can you elaborate on this comment a bit?
