Wake up call for who? Will the Democrats ever wake up and give their base something to vote for, instead of “hey, the other guys’s worse, whaddya gonna do?”.
The republican approved toll road bill that we got Elizabeth Warren style “let’s split it into two bills!” except only the bad bill got passed?
energy independence
Are you seriously listing Obama fracking the shit out of the midwest as a positive?? And who the fuck benefited from the US becoming an energy exporter?
college tuition assistance
The fuck are you listing this for? Who’s the one who not only refused to jubilee student debt but turned payments back on during an inflationary spike?
NATO dealing with Ukraine
What?? Again, who the fuck is the constituency for this? How is that going to change my landlord taking half my paycheck? And it’s not like Ukraine even won the war.
You clutch your pearls but you can’t deny it’s true. All that war is to you is recreational reading. And if that’s what earns your vote then you live a charmed life. Even if you are a bloodthirsty psychopath.
Democracy is when the result of a fair election is a coup that chases the president over the border and you ban opposition parties and you shell the regions that voted against you. Yeah, sure. Democracy is the thing that’s rising over there. And that’s why we support them. We’ve been sending them weapons for over half a decade because democracy. Just like everywhere else.
Was in the minority. You can’t use them as an excuse for what the democrats did.
Literally republicans
Biden chose to take a route with the debt that invited a challenge. He didn’t want to discharge it. He’s the senator from MBNA. The sanctity of debt is one of his foundational beliefs.
He is the president. The treasury works for him. He holds the debt. He can and didn’t simply write it off.
the entire world who now don’t have to deal with escalation between Russia and the USA
This is the sentence in which you called me a ‘fucking idiot’ and I have to say the idea that a proxy war doesn’t count as escalation is one of the smartest things I’ve heard from you.
But republicans are the party of the free market!
Democrats are the party of letting everyone lose their home and have them be bought up by banks, who were bailed out when prices were low, who are now charging me half my income in rent.
The fuck are you listing this for? Who’s the one who not only refused to jubilee student debt but turned payments back on during an inflationary spike?
And not a penny of what he discharged was without a preexisting situation where the debt would have automatically been discharged anyway if the government was actually functional.
And he took credit for it. And people like you carry the message like a game of telephone believing he did something.
You aren’t wrong, in a way. I’m nearing fifty and Biden is arguably the most progressive president in my lifetime. The problem is, that says more about the quality of presidents in my lifetime than it does about Biden, and with the climate crisis and encroaching global fascism, we don’t have anymore time to wait. The Democrats are doing more, now, because pressure from the left has convinced them that they have to, but the leadership is still dragging their feet in defense of corporate profits as much as they can. The fact that they are doing more doesn’t mean it’s time to lower the pressure - it means the pressure is working, and we need to dial it up.
I don’t really agree with you, but even if I did… “advertising it” is a big part of politics! It’s called messaging, and it’s important. You have to get people excited to vote for you. They need to feel like you’re fighting for them. If you can’t manage that, then don’t blame people for not voting for you.
Yeah, but there’s a couple things wrong. First, the Dems are trying to DO things, which is exceedingly difficult with a Republican Congress that can’t even agree on a speaker.
But also, DOING things just doesn’t get that much attention.
Fixing the threatening hyper-inflation after the PPP was pretty damn important, but they obviously can’t advertise that because there are side effects. Our economy is returning to being based on real shit rather than make believe Venture Capital bullshit. That’s a painful process, and of course the rich and corporations refuse to feel any of the pain (at least immediately). They’re attempting to pawn all the pain off onto the working class, partly in the hope that they’ll get more corporate tax cuts to “stimulate the economy”.
They’re getting more EVs made in America. The significant tax credit for EVs require that most of the car be made here.
They’re fixing our crumbling bridges and roads. That doesn’t get much attention, and if it does it’ll be a part they’ve failed to address.
Amtrak is building out passenger rail lines that are actually relevant to me. It’s not building metro systems in several medium US cities that need it, but it’s a start.
You know a way that’s much, much easier to get attention? Maybe the Dems should just pick a minority and spout fear and hate. That really plays much better with the public. Just put up a loud mouth who every other day spouts such incredibly dumb shit that the news HAS to cover it. That’s a winning messaging strategy.
I can’t afford an EV. I can’t afford a house. I can’t afford gas. I can’t afford groceries. I can’t afford health insurance-- actually, I can afford the minimum insurance I am required to purchase, but it is basically worthless. This is the kind of shit I don’t hear/see much convincing from Democrats. Yes, fuck the fascists in the Republican party. Unfortunately, fascism can look like an ‘answer’ for these kind of problems. If we don’t want people to fall for that trap, we need popular politics coming from the left.
President specifically, nothing. Government and a political party as a whole? Fix the problem.
There’s lots of ideas as to how to fix the problem, and though I have my own and have preferences, all that ultimately matters is that every single person in the country has a good place to live, food, and healthcare, and generally speaking, the ability to participate in society as much or as little as they choose.
You want government to fix the problem of you making bad life choices?
…how?
every single person in the country has a good place to live, food, and healthcare, and generally speaking, the ability to participate in society as much or as little as they choose.
That you don’t understand that this is a ridiculously extreme ask is just unreal to me.
I was trying to encompass a lot of stuff in that phrasing, and I get the impression it came out very poorly.
My meaning is along the lines of including things like the ability to freely reach the necessary places for desired social engagement, access to whatever modern communication and interaction systems there are and so on, without limiting it to current technology or physical structure.
I didn’t want to say ‘a vehicle and internet’ since those may not be necessary depending on other things. Even this explanation doesn’t really cover it; there’s a bunch of stuff in my head I want the government to be ensuring for us and it would take a huge essay to cover it all.
I expect someone running for president to sound like they give a fuck about that, and (once elected) to use their position as the party leader to constantly marshal their forces towards real solutions to those problems.
Biden used the weakest legal reasoning he had available to cancel a fraction of existing student loan debt even though debt relief advocates were telling him not to. That made it easy to challenge in court.
They give money to run ads for the most insane GOP people so they can have easier opponents, they wanted Trump to win the primary because it would have made the GOP a laughingstock. Problem is over time this emboldens and normalizes this faction, and now it’s just this death spiral where they can’t change or the other faction will win, it’s like this logical inevitability at this point. Dems said it loud and clear in 2016 they will choose a candidate friendly to donors over one that could easy win against Trump.
Wake up call for who? Will the Democrats ever wake up and give their base something to vote for, instead of “hey, the other guys’s worse, whaddya gonna do?”.
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The Civil Rights Movement?
Oh, Civil Rights. SHUT UP!
What country are you in? The war on drugs is still going strong in the USA.
The republican approved toll road bill that we got Elizabeth Warren style “let’s split it into two bills!” except only the bad bill got passed?
Are you seriously listing Obama fracking the shit out of the midwest as a positive?? And who the fuck benefited from the US becoming an energy exporter?
The fuck are you listing this for? Who’s the one who not only refused to jubilee student debt but turned payments back on during an inflationary spike?
What?? Again, who the fuck is the constituency for this? How is that going to change my landlord taking half my paycheck? And it’s not like Ukraine even won the war.
??? ??? ???
Me.
So what you’re saying is the democrats only appeal to people so comfortable in life that their biggest problem is not enough dead people
What a bizarre thing to say
You clutch your pearls but you can’t deny it’s true. All that war is to you is recreational reading. And if that’s what earns your vote then you live a charmed life. Even if you are a bloodthirsty psychopath.
Ah yes, me hoping my ex’s country and rising democracy Ukraine can fight off a Russian invasion force is “recreational reading.” How silly of me
Democracy is when the result of a fair election is a coup that chases the president over the border and you ban opposition parties and you shell the regions that voted against you. Yeah, sure. Democracy is the thing that’s rising over there. And that’s why we support them. We’ve been sending them weapons for over half a decade because democracy. Just like everywhere else.
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Was in the minority. You can’t use them as an excuse for what the democrats did.
Biden chose to take a route with the debt that invited a challenge. He didn’t want to discharge it. He’s the senator from MBNA. The sanctity of debt is one of his foundational beliefs.
He is the president. The treasury works for him. He holds the debt. He can and didn’t simply write it off.
This is the sentence in which you called me a ‘fucking idiot’ and I have to say the idea that a proxy war doesn’t count as escalation is one of the smartest things I’ve heard from you.
Democrats are the party of letting everyone lose their home and have them be bought up by banks, who were bailed out when prices were low, who are now charging me half my income in rent.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-11/student-loan-debt-biden-forgives-127-billion-bringing-borrowers-relief
I mean if $127 billion is nothing to you, could you spot me a hundred billion?
1.77 trillion and rising.
And not a penny of what he discharged was without a preexisting situation where the debt would have automatically been discharged anyway if the government was actually functional.
And he took credit for it. And people like you carry the message like a game of telephone believing he did something.
Holy shit your reality is as fucked up as a qanoners. Genuinely impressive, the mental hurdles on display here.
I think they do: https://www.whitehouse.gov/therecord/
I just think the Dems suck at advertising it. Hell, I think Biden is trying for at least some student debt relief.
You aren’t wrong, in a way. I’m nearing fifty and Biden is arguably the most progressive president in my lifetime. The problem is, that says more about the quality of presidents in my lifetime than it does about Biden, and with the climate crisis and encroaching global fascism, we don’t have anymore time to wait. The Democrats are doing more, now, because pressure from the left has convinced them that they have to, but the leadership is still dragging their feet in defense of corporate profits as much as they can. The fact that they are doing more doesn’t mean it’s time to lower the pressure - it means the pressure is working, and we need to dial it up.
I don’t really agree with you, but even if I did… “advertising it” is a big part of politics! It’s called messaging, and it’s important. You have to get people excited to vote for you. They need to feel like you’re fighting for them. If you can’t manage that, then don’t blame people for not voting for you.
Yeah, but there’s a couple things wrong. First, the Dems are trying to DO things, which is exceedingly difficult with a Republican Congress that can’t even agree on a speaker.
But also, DOING things just doesn’t get that much attention.
Fixing the threatening hyper-inflation after the PPP was pretty damn important, but they obviously can’t advertise that because there are side effects. Our economy is returning to being based on real shit rather than make believe Venture Capital bullshit. That’s a painful process, and of course the rich and corporations refuse to feel any of the pain (at least immediately). They’re attempting to pawn all the pain off onto the working class, partly in the hope that they’ll get more corporate tax cuts to “stimulate the economy”.
They’re getting more EVs made in America. The significant tax credit for EVs require that most of the car be made here.
They’re fixing our crumbling bridges and roads. That doesn’t get much attention, and if it does it’ll be a part they’ve failed to address.
Amtrak is building out passenger rail lines that are actually relevant to me. It’s not building metro systems in several medium US cities that need it, but it’s a start.
You know a way that’s much, much easier to get attention? Maybe the Dems should just pick a minority and spout fear and hate. That really plays much better with the public. Just put up a loud mouth who every other day spouts such incredibly dumb shit that the news HAS to cover it. That’s a winning messaging strategy.
I can’t afford an EV. I can’t afford a house. I can’t afford gas. I can’t afford groceries. I can’t afford health insurance-- actually, I can afford the minimum insurance I am required to purchase, but it is basically worthless. This is the kind of shit I don’t hear/see much convincing from Democrats. Yes, fuck the fascists in the Republican party. Unfortunately, fascism can look like an ‘answer’ for these kind of problems. If we don’t want people to fall for that trap, we need popular politics coming from the left.
What do you expect any president to do about that?
President specifically, nothing. Government and a political party as a whole? Fix the problem.
There’s lots of ideas as to how to fix the problem, and though I have my own and have preferences, all that ultimately matters is that every single person in the country has a good place to live, food, and healthcare, and generally speaking, the ability to participate in society as much or as little as they choose.
Maybe voting for fewer Republicans would be a good start.
You want government to fix the problem of you making bad life choices?
…how?
That you don’t understand that this is a ridiculously extreme ask is just unreal to me.
I was trying to encompass a lot of stuff in that phrasing, and I get the impression it came out very poorly.
My meaning is along the lines of including things like the ability to freely reach the necessary places for desired social engagement, access to whatever modern communication and interaction systems there are and so on, without limiting it to current technology or physical structure.
I didn’t want to say ‘a vehicle and internet’ since those may not be necessary depending on other things. Even this explanation doesn’t really cover it; there’s a bunch of stuff in my head I want the government to be ensuring for us and it would take a huge essay to cover it all.
I expect someone running for president to sound like they give a fuck about that, and (once elected) to use their position as the party leader to constantly marshal their forces towards real solutions to those problems.
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They don’t suck. They just don’t get any help from corporate media or social media.
All corporate media is right wing media.
I also think people cling to the negatives. With student debt relief, everyone was cynical as hell at the time and still attacked the Dems.
Biden wiped the debt. Republicans filed a lawsuit and a Republican judge overturned the order.
Biden used the weakest legal reasoning he had available to cancel a fraction of existing student loan debt even though debt relief advocates were telling him not to. That made it easy to challenge in court.
Ya that one was on Biden. No idea why he chose that way to remove student loan debt.
Seems like maybe Obama shouldn’t have made propaganda normal and mainstream
He’s currently failing to handle the current most pressing international issue in a way that satisfies his voter base, though.
He is, don’t think that contradicts anything I’ve said though. I’m just saying they do more than they let on.
They give money to run ads for the most insane GOP people so they can have easier opponents, they wanted Trump to win the primary because it would have made the GOP a laughingstock. Problem is over time this emboldens and normalizes this faction, and now it’s just this death spiral where they can’t change or the other faction will win, it’s like this logical inevitability at this point. Dems said it loud and clear in 2016 they will choose a candidate friendly to donors over one that could easy win against Trump.
Where’d you get this hot take? X or corporate news media?
I get it here on Lemmy anytime someone complains about Biden and they are piled onto by people saying he’s the lesser of two evils.